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What is your IQ?
less than 100
 0%  [ 0 ]
101 to 109
 6%  [ 4 ]
110 to 119
 9%  [ 6 ]
120 to 129
 20%  [ 13 ]
130 to 139
 20%  [ 13 ]
140 to 149
 23%  [ 15 ]
150 to 159
 3%  [ 2 ]
more than 160
 15%  [ 10 ]
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 29 2007, 10:21 pm    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
I would think that if anything an iq can go up as we get older and wiser
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 29 2007, 10:51 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
amother wrote:
Put me in the 160+ category. Yes, I had an evaluation by a psychologist when I was in 7th grade. I was also made a perfect score on the SAT. As far as genetics are concerned, sorry, but I'm a giyores! (My father was a rocket scientist, however - no kidding - so I guess I got some good genes anyhow!)


I totally love that would have liked to share something similar only I am nothing close to a rocket scientist but wanted to take a stand for the geyoresos of the world - thank you!!!
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 29 2007, 10:54 pm    Post subject:
 
Personally I find this whole thread ridiculous - however I would like to share that of my 2 children who went through this testing through professionals actually have an IQ of 137 and 139
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 29 2007, 11:04 pm    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
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Intelligence Interval Cognitive Designation
40 - 54 Severely challenged (Less than 1% of test takers)
55 - 69 Challenged (2.3% of test takers)
70 - 84 Below average
85 - 114 Average (68% of test takers)
115 - 129 Above average
130 - 144 Gifted (2.3% of test takers)
145 - 159 Genius (Less than 1% of test takers)
160 - 175 Extraordinary genius


I like this chart. It says that I'm a genius. 2 years ago, I took their test and scored 149.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 9:00 am    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
No idea. I've cheerfully been a subject for any number of psychology grad students who have to give a certain number of IQ tests to qualify, but they never tell me the results!

But as my mother always told me, it doesn't matter what your IQ is--it matters what you do with it. She was so right.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 9:43 am    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
Amother, daughter of the rocket scientist, notwithstanding, Jews have always been comparatively 'smarter' than others. A "self-described Scots-Irish gentile from Iowa" theorized that it's was the mandate of R' Yehoshua ben Gamla of universal schooling and the focus on prayer and scholarhship. In addition, advanced literacy and intellect is needed to read and learn Torah/gemorah.

Even further back, is the concept of mesorah, holding fathers and sons accoutable for learning. Amusingly at the end of his article in Mishpacha, he calls upon his "irrefutable hypothesis" of why Jews were the only tribe living among other nomadic peoples that evolved elevated intelligence: "The Jews are Gd's chosen people"

Some numbers quoted from the article: in this century so far, of all the literature, chemistry, physics and medicine Nobel prizes, 32% were awarded to Jews; Jews make up 2 tenths of 1% (.0002) of the population.

I must be smart too; I did that math. (correct me if I'm wrong...)
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 10:59 am    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
EstiS wrote:
I would think that if anything an iq can go up as we get older and wiser


The books on the subject say it's fixed by age 18 (and you can actually tell long before that, age 5). Wiser doesn't mean your IQ increases. It generally means you have learned from experience. The word "zaken" (old) is an acronym for "zeh sh'kana chochma" (one who acquires wisdom).
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 1:03 pm    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
Hmm. This borders on my area of expertise, although I deal more with language, but the IQ test measures at best two of the seven typical kinds of intelligence that scientists talk about (Linguistic; Logical-Mathematical; Bodily-Kinesthetic; Spatial; Musical; Interpersonal; Intrapersonal). A person can be brilliant in many areas, but, regrettably we do not always acknowledge, let alone test for, all areas of intelligence.

I'd be interested in knowing if the posters here experienced big differences between their verbal and non-verbal scores.

On a personal note, I've always been a bit sceptical of overinterpreting the significance of high IQ test scores, particularly in my own situation! I find my success with a project is due as much to diligence and motivation as to what I bring to the table mentally. My IQ was taken when I was 15, because I needed some kind of number to go to university at that age. In those ancient times, you had to be 16 to take an SAT and 18 to get a GED. So, like Ruchel, I got a little head start.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 2:35 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
ablevaybel wrote:
Hmm. This borders on my area of expertise, although I deal more with language, but the IQ test measures at best two of the seven typical kinds of intelligence that scientists talk about (Linguistic; Logical-Mathematical; Bodily-Kinesthetic; Spatial; Musical; Interpersonal; Intrapersonal). A person can be brilliant in many areas, but, regrettably we do not always acknowledge, let alone test for, all areas of intelligence.

I'd be interested in knowing if the posters here experienced big differences between their verbal and non-verbal scores.

On a personal note, I've always been a bit sceptical of overinterpreting the significance of high IQ test scores, particularly in my own situation! I find my success with a project is due as much to diligence and motivation as to what I bring to the table mentally. My IQ was taken when I was 15, because I needed some kind of number to go to university at that age. In those ancient times, you had to be 16 to take an SAT and 18 to get a GED. So, like Ruchel, I got a little head start.

I guess times have changed. I took the SATs at 15 and decided my score wouldn't get too much better (I'm still convinced it was a fluke).
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 2:36 pm    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
I'm with healthymama on this one, the results of this survey are laughable-- 16 out of 20 scored "highly gifted" or "genius"? It just doesn't make any sense.

Yes, Jews win a lot of Nobel Prizes. Usually those Jews have multiple PhDs and spend many years at the top of their fields. Do they have high IQs? Maybe, but not necessarily. Just because there are lots of smart Jews out there shouldn't necessarily correlate to 3/4 of all imamothers scoring in the genius range.

I realize that many of you who voted may have taken some of these online "IQ tests". They are not accurate, and skew very high with scoring. I was administered a standardized IQ test at age 7 with my whole class (we weren't told what it was-- just that it was yet another #2 pencil standardized test). Parents were sent the results, but mine never revealed my score until I asked recently. Why? Because it doesn't matter.

(Additionally, I would be curious if this Touro professor really administered a valid IQ test. I somehow doubt it-- I once had a HS teacher who gave us a test of logic and called it an IQ test, but it clearly was not.)

I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
Hashem_Yaazor wrote:
ablevaybel wrote:
. My IQ was taken when I was 15, because I needed some kind of number to go to university at that age. In those ancient times, you had to be 16 to take an SAT and 18 to get a GED. So, like Ruchel, I got a little head start.

I guess times have changed. I took the SATs at 15 and decided my score wouldn't get too much better (I'm still convinced it was a fluke).


Sweetie, you forget, I'm older than dirt. Very Happy But, I assure you, in the 1970's, in Illinois, where I lived at the time, you had to be 16 to take the SAT and ACT. I would have been happy to have taken a regular standardized test, but it wasn't allowed. It worked out ok and I got my BA at 19. Now, as for the rest of it, well, let's just say I'm finally looking to finish my PhD, IY"H, in December, after years of working and teaching.

And I'm sure you deserved every point on that SAT!

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
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I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.


Exactly! Which is why I didn't join when they invited me. Rolling Laughter

My pal claims to be a member of DENSA, the org. for people who are dumber than average.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 2:57 pm    Post subject:
 
I don't know what my IQ is and I did TERRIBLY on SAT's.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 3:08 pm    Post subject:
 
batya_d wrote:
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I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.


Actually, having worked with Nobel Laureates closely, you'd be surprised what a diverse group "geniuses" are. Some are really into kavod and themselves and live for affirmation, as you put it. Others are just into their work; still others are really humble.

As for MENSA members, it seems harsh to tar them all with the "sad, sad people" brush. People have their various reasons for joining groups - a big motivation in joining is often acceptance and belonging, and the sense that you share something unique with other members. This is true for MENSA, the Daughters of the American Revolution, Classic Car Collectors or (l'havdil) N'shei Chabad.

Many smart kids - MENSA members and non-MENSA members (like me) - have the experience of not being understood by their peers in childhood and young adulthood. It's almost like they speak a different language. That can be really rough in adolescence when nobody wants to stand out.
To me, that feeling of not being the only one who is an "egghead" would be a big motivation for people to join MENSA. For the record, I've personally never had someone walk up to me and advertise their membership.
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 3:11 pm    Post subject: re: What's your IQ?
 
I read recently that they found that people with just above average IQs generally do better financially in life than people with very high IQs. Being clever does not make you a good businessman or streetsmart, even if you do understand einsteins theory. (and college lectures and professors, no matter how brilliant, are generally not the most well paid people around)

So, take heart, those of you with just average intelligence. Thee are other aspects that matter much more - plenty of people have a high IQ but are bone lazy. They won't get very far in life. There is also something called an E.Q. - an emotional quotient, also important.

I once took an IQ test and for the life of me I can't remember the result, Embarassed except that it put me in the top 5% of the population.

Anyway, I'm quite sure my score must have gone down, sometimes I feel like my brain has turned to mush...
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 4:33 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's your IQ?
 
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I hope I don't offend anyone here, but I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.


Although I am no Mensa member and have no interest in trying to be (I think you have a have 160 or so anyway, so why waste my time), I do know a few of them and they are nice people.
On the other hand, as a kid I was sent to a "gifted child" school, and the childen there were SO spoiled and whiney and annoying and selfish that I left after a few months. I was quite a spoiled kid myself, but I was able to share or be interested in another person. Most weren't, they would fight and throy tantrums all day. Unbelievable. Shocked Shocked
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 4:36 pm    Post subject:
 
ablevaybel wrote:
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I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.



As for MENSA members, it seems harsh



harsh?? I think it's absolutely rude to condemn an entire group of people whom one never met and can only speculate about their motivations

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People have their various reasons for joining groups - a big motivation in joining is often acceptance and belonging, and the sense that you share something unique with other members. This is true for MENSA, the Daughters of the American Revolution, Classic Car Collectors or (l'havdil) N'shei Chabad.

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 6:10 pm    Post subject:
 
mumoo wrote:
ablevaybel wrote:
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I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.


As for MENSA members, it seems harsh


harsh?? I think it's absolutely rude to condemn an entire group of people whom one never met and can only speculate about their motivations


Fair enough, I chose overly harsh words to make my point. But the point still stands.

If one needs to feel a sense of belonging and not feel like the only "egghead", I can think of a lot of groups and organizations where exceptionally intelligent people gather and socialize, where the members have more in common than "we're intelligent".
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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 7:33 pm    Post subject:
 
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I think MENSA members are sad, sad people who need a card to carry in their wallet that says, "I'm a genius! respect me!". A true genius doesn't need that kind of silly affirmation. Excelling in their careers and using their unique abilities to do great things should be enough, one would think.


As for MENSA members, it seems harsh


harsh?? I think it's absolutely rude to condemn an entire group of people whom one never met and can only speculate about their motivations

Fair enough, I chose overly harsh words to make my point. But the point still stands.


Of course you are entitled to your opinion, batya_d, but you've made an observation, seemingly without anything to support it. Mumoo has an excellent point about avoiding speculating about the motivations of people one has never met.

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If one needs to feel a sense of belonging and not feel like the only "egghead", I can think of a lot of groups and organizations where exceptionally intelligent people gather and socialize, where the members have more in common than "we're intelligent".


But that is my point exactly! This group, MENSA, is organized precisely around the common experience, (somewhat randomly determined by an IQ test) of "intelligence". You (and I) might find that motivation shallow or a bitul z'man, but surely it is not felt to be less legitimate a need than those who gather to discuss shar pei dogs, the latest yarns for knitting, or the common experience of going to Harvard Law School. Surely, there is no need to single these individuals out for censure or ridicule?

I want to return to something Ruchel said, and which may underlie, your antipathy to this group. Ruchel related her experience of going to a school for gifted children and being horrified at the terrible, whinging behavior these children displayed. If I understood her correctly, part of the reason this behavior was tolerated is that the children were considered to be "special" and therefore somehow exempt from basic rules of derech ha'aretz. Of course they weren't and, based solely on this anecdote, it is my opinion that, if this was in fact the way the school was run, the teachers and parents did these children a great disservice by not emphasizing proper behavior, respect and the need to get along with all sorts of people.

Could it be that you take umbrage at the fact that these people gather and declare themselves "special", rather than letting their actions and achievements based on their talents and intelligence, speak for themselves? Or that they somehow set themselves apart from others, considering themselves somehow "better" than others who haven't taken the test and thereby not proved themselves as intelligent?

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 30 2007, 9:52 pm    Post subject:
 
thanks for your support, abel

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Could it be that you take umbrage at the fact that these people somehow set themselves apart from others, considering themselves somehow "better" than others
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but even if the above were true, do these people have to make an excuse to get together with their peers? why should they have to hide the fact that they are intelligent? Do recreational basketball players have to hide their affinity for/ability in sports? Why should being smart be offensive?
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