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amother


 

Post Wed, Aug 27 2014, 7:37 pm
amother wrote:

Most parent's who send to Bnos Melech would not even think of sending to bnos Peninah.

This may be off on a tangent, but as a Bnos Penina parent I can tell you that a huge percentage of our parent body are old-world kollel parents. Not bugaboo-pushing kollel wives but genuine "being happy with less" families. Not "frum image" but genuine frum. And yes there is some variety in the school - because Mrs. Paskesz firmly believes in giving a fair chance to any yiddishe neshoma, as long as she has the space.
So stop arranging the Lakewood schools into some kind of contrived hierarchy. It's this kind of outlook that creates a yucky elitist attitude regardings schools here.
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amother


 

Post Wed, Aug 27 2014, 8:14 pm
amother wrote:
This may be off on a tangent, but as a Bnos Penina parent I can tell you that a huge percentage of our parent body are old-world kollel parents. Not bugaboo-pushing kollel wives but genuine "being happy with less" families. Not "frum image" but genuine frum. And yes there is some variety in the school - because Mrs. Paskesz firmly believes in giving a fair chance to any yiddishe neshoma, as long as she has the space.
So stop arranging the Lakewood schools into some kind of contrived hierarchy. It's this kind of outlook that creates a yucky elitist attitude regardings schools here.


Bnos Penina Parent here too. Mrs Paskesz is a gem who loves and cares about all her talmidos.
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amother


 

Post Wed, Aug 27 2014, 9:11 pm
amother wrote:
I don't know about in your particular school, However in the Bais Yackov that I send my girl's to (one of the larger one's in town) sent us form's in August of this year asking us how many sibling's we would need slot's for next year.


Amother you are proving my point. They are asking in August for the coming school year. They are not asking for your two year old or three year old. Also they are only asking to see how many slots they have left after siblings but not once did the vaad send out a letter to all parents of Lakewood to see how many three year olds there are in this town to figure out space issues now for two years from now to prevent this school issue in two years.

And to say they can't do thus because people mine is a dumb argument because people move out and others move back in so it really evens out.
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amother


 

Post Wed, Aug 27 2014, 9:14 pm
The vaad puts out a letter for parents to contact them shavuous time but the vaad does nothing with the names until the end of August. Who cars if the vaad gas a list but they don't contact the parents that's not called helping the parents.

Also answers come out in the end of October why is the vaad waiting until mid June to even compile a list to see how many slots they will need.
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 12:27 am
amother wrote:
This may be off on a tangent, but as a Bnos Penina parent I can tell you that a huge percentage of our parent body are old-world kollel parents. Not bugaboo-pushing kollel wives but genuine "being happy with less" families. Not "frum image" but genuine frum. And yes there is some variety in the school - because Mrs. Paskesz firmly believes in giving a fair chance to any yiddishe neshoma, as long as she has the space.
So stop arranging the Lakewood schools into some kind of contrived hierarchy. It's this kind of outlook that creates a yucky elitist attitude regardings schools here.


I am sorry I did not mean to imply that there was some sense of "hierarchy" and I meant nothing against any of the school's I listed and particularly Bnos Penina, I know several families that send to Bnos Penina and they all love it and I also know of cases where Bnos Penina bent over backwards to take children in.

All I meant to say was that each school has thier own chinuch, thier own priorities and thier own personality. The majority of any specific school send's thier childrent to that school because that is the one they wanted.

And the school normally tries if at all possible to take in children from families that they believe will be happy with what they are offering in term's of chinuch, not families that down the line will complain and badmouth them.

It work's both way's, so to simply have a "lottery" system is just ludicrous becuase the system is overburdened and does not work for 5% of people it should be destroyed for the other 95%?

That has nothing to do with "toradike" it has to do with socialism.
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 12:35 am
amother wrote:
The vaad puts out a letter for parents to contact them shavuous time but the vaad does nothing with the names until the end of August. Who cars if the vaad gas a list but they don't contact the parents that's not called helping the parents.

Also answers come out in the end of October why is the vaad waiting until mid June to even compile a list to see how many slots they will need.


So first you lie and state thatr the Vaad does not try and do find out earlier about children you're confronted with it so you try to lie again thatthey do nothing until August.

Why do you think so?

Becuase you don't get personal messages over every meeting, phone call, and idea they pursue?

Why can't you just acknowledge that Yes the town is growing really, really fast, faster then almost any other Jewish community in Chutz La'aretz.
There are hundred's of families moving in each year K"h, the birthrate is B"h quite high and it's really hard to keep up with the growth even with the herculean efforts being made.

Why do you have to personally attack people trying to help you. Why do you have to twist anything done?

Can't you realize that you're attitude is precisley why Mosdos in fact do not want to deal with certain parent's? why Rabbonim who can get involved and would be good at it don't? Why Askanim who are quite capable and would be good at it stop?

If you want to know what can be done to change things, I have a suggestion.

Look in the mirror and instead of attacking good people who try really really hard to help other's. Instead of being a problem, be part of the solution.
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 12:45 am
amother wrote:
I am sorry I did not mean to imply that there was some sense of "hierarchy" and I meant nothing against any of the school's I and particularly Bnos Penina, I know several families that send to Bnos Penina and they all love it and I also know of cases where Bnos Penina bent over backwards to take children in.

All I meant to say was that each school has thier own chinuch, thier own priorities and thier own personality. The majority of any specific school send's thier childrent to that school because that is the one they wanted.

Thank you for explaining. I'm sorry for jumping at you.
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Orchid




 
 
    
 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 12:56 am
amother wrote:
So first you lie and state thatr the Vaad does not try and do find out earlier about children you're confronted with it so you try to lie again thatthey do nothing until August.

Why do you think so?

Becuase you don't get personal messages over every meeting, phone call, and idea they pursue?

Why can't you just acknowledge that Yes the town is growing really, really fast, faster then almost any other Jewish community in Chutz La'aretz.
There are hundred's of families moving in each year K"h, the birthrate is B"h quite high and it's really hard to keep up with the growth even with the herculean efforts being made.

Why do you have to personally attack people trying to help you. Why do you have to twist anything done?

Can't you realize that you're attitude is precisley why Mosdos in fact do not want to deal with certain parent's? why Rabbonim who can get involved and would be good at it don't? Why Askanim who are quite capable and would be good at it stop?

If you want to know what can be done to change things, I have a suggestion.

Look in the mirror and instead of attacking good people who try really really hard to help other's. Instead of being a problem, be part of the solution.


I'm going to hijack this thread for a moment to say something that is truly for your own good. Your grammar drives me BONKERS and makes your point harder to understand. My intention is not to hurt your feelings at all. It's gotten to the point that I was able to distinguish your posts from all other amother posts due to the grammar issue.

Here goes:
A plural noun does not get an apostrophe! "Mosdos don't want to deal with parents." Not "parent's"
The apostrophe means "belonging to the parent" whereas you mean "many parents." It is getting to the point where it's just painful to read your post, which is unfortunate, since you make many important points.

Ok - hijack over. (If I truly hurt your feelings, feel free to report. I really do have your best interest in mind).
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 12:59 am
Amother defending the vaad you are the one lying not me. I said that the vaad does not find out about kids two years in advance to prevent the issue of not every child getting in by November the year before. Then I said that shavuous time which was in June this past year the vaad sent out a letter for parents to contact them about the school year starting in September. That is crazy late for the vaad to wake up and first look at the number of kids out of school. Why am I lying? The vaad should be doing this two years in advance not three months before school starts when some kids already got in to school seven months earlier.
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 1:05 am
Yes there are some good sincere people working for the vaad but the ones who are sincere and really care no one even knows their names and they work behind the scenes quietly. The two vaad members that everyone knows their names just do it for the kavod and credit and they love when everyone talks how much good they do.

The bottom line is that if it was such a hard and thankless job these two vaad members would have quit years ago but obviously they love the power and recognition they get from everyone in this town knowing their names and begging them to help. And they love the power of deciding who goes to which school.
End of story not one vaad member has quit over the years they love being part of this exclusive club.
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amother


 

Post Thu, Aug 28 2014, 10:54 am
The amother whose son wasn't in school yet is he in school it's the second day of school now? Please update us with good news?
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amother


 

Post Mon, Sep 01 2014, 9:30 pm
Anyone still without a school for their daughter besides me?!?
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Emotional




 
 
    
 

Post Mon, Sep 01 2014, 10:12 pm
amother wrote:
Anyone still without a school for their daughter besides me?!?

Which amother are you?
And where do things stand with your daughter?
Please keep us updated.
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amother


 

Post Mon, Sep 01 2014, 10:55 pm
My daughter just got in to school at the end of last week. We got into a school that wasn't our first choice, and in fact we didn't initially apply there. We got it on our own merit; the Vaad had nothing to do with it. We have come to terms with the fact that this may not be what we wanted at first but it is an established school. We got uniforms today bh!
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amother


 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 3:21 am
amother wrote:
My daughter just got in to school at the end of last week. We got into a school that wasn't our first choice, and in fact we didn't initially apply there. We got it on our own merit; the Vaad had nothing to do with it. We have come to terms with the fact that this may not be what we wanted at first but it is an established school. We got uniforms today bh!


I am the amother above still without a school for my daughter. Can I ask you which school you got into?
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amother


 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 7:17 am
amother wrote:
This may be off on a tangent, but as a Bnos Penina parent I can tell you that a huge percentage of our parent body are old-world kollel parents. Not bugaboo-pushing kollel wives but genuine "being happy with less" families. Not "frum image" but genuine frum. And yes there is some variety in the school - because Mrs. Paskesz firmly believes in giving a fair chance to any yiddishe neshoma, as long as she has the space.
So stop arranging the Lakewood schools into some kind of contrived hierarchy. It's this kind of outlook that creates a yucky elitist attitude regardings schools here.


Sniff...sniff....something reeks from "gaiva" here. Anyone know what? "Lchatchila" one should be humble, and not look down on others, but this amother "doesn't hold by that". These "yiddishe nashomas" are just as valuable to Hashem as your own "yiddishe nashomas".
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amother


 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 7:21 am
amother wrote:
Sniff...sniff....something reeks from "gaiva" here. Anyone know what? "Lchatchila" one should be humble, and not look down on others, but this amother "doesn't hold by that". These "yiddishe nashomas" are just as valuable to Hashem as your own "yiddishe nashomas".
Go out and get yourself a manicure, perhaps even a bugaboo - then you wont feel so constipated.

I don't even get your point.
What's your REAL issue?
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amother


 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 8:31 am
amother wrote:
Sniff...sniff....something reeks from "gaiva" here. Anyone know what? "Lchatchila" one should be humble, and not look down on others, but this amother "doesn't hold by that". These "yiddishe nashomas" are just as valuable to Hashem as your own "yiddishe nashomas".
Go out and get yourself a manicure, perhaps even a bugaboo - then you wont feel so constipated.

I was defending Bnos Penina against the implications that there are those who would "never" send there.
It's practically the only school in Lakewood who treats people like human beings, and your accusation of gaava is so laughably misplaced that I wonder if you've ever set foot in Lakewood.
If you have self-esteem issues and a chip on your shoulder, that's not my fault.
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naturalmom5




 
 
    
 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 8:50 am
Ah.....Imamother

Come for the recipes, s Bayis advice

Stay for the cat fights
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amother


 

Post Tue, Sep 02 2014, 8:58 am
amother wrote:
I was defending Bnos Penina against the implications that there are those who would "never" send there.
It's practically the only school in Lakewood who treats people like human beings, and your accusation of gaava is so laughably misplaced that I wonder if you've ever set foot in Lakewood.
If you have self-esteem issues and a chip on your shoulder, that's not my fault.
I have "stepped foot" in Lakewood before, and I found the people that I met to be delightful. This is not about Lakewood. Its about people like you who prolong this galus by separating Jews into categories. US - the REAL kollel families, the REAL frum ones, and then all the rest of klal Israel, who, in your mind's eye, look up to you so much that they try to imitate you, but fail. You treat them like scum, with a cloak of holiness. It is arrogance at its best. G-d does not consider you better than "the rest of them". It is this attitude that is at the heart of the breakdown of klal yisrael.
you didn't defend anyone. You took an opportunity - someoneone else's pain - to display yourself as the cream of the crop.
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