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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 1:13 pm Post subject: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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ok- my 9 year old DD is really getting me worried.
its been a number of nights that we find her falling asleep with her panty pulled down...
when we where traveling in the car she had her hands in her top...
is this normal? what should I do?
HELP!!!
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:02 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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66 views and no one has any thoughts to share???
is this normal or is this a sign of emotional issue?
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:08 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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I wouldn't say it's completely NOT normal. If you're really concerned why don't you call the pediatrician?
Good luck. Whatever you do, don't freak her out and make her feel uncomfortable...that would be unfair to her.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:11 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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thanks for responding.
I feel uncomf. asking the doc. its a very heimish office....
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | thanks for responding.
I feel uncomf. asking the doc. its a very heimish office.... |
would you feel uncomfortable asking your pediatrician if your daughter had vaginitis? heimish people are human too. even very heimish people. if you're so worried, you shouldn't have a frum pediatrician. you need someone you can comfortably discuss these concerns with.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:19 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| maybe something is itching her and she therefore scratches or touches herself.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:24 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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Could be normal. some kids just figure it out sooner than others.
If there is no irritation/rash, then I would just say that is something that is OK to do in private. Like in her room when no one is there. If she does it in front of you gently tell her to stop. Please do not tell her she is never allowed to touch down there bc that will surely mess her up.
Also good idea to wash hands afterwards.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:25 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| Touching herself is normal. You need to set boundaries that it's a private thing and is done in private and not in the car, etc. You also should tell her she needs to wash her hands before and after. And, ITA tthat you should ask her to tell you if her vulva ever hurts or is itchy as that warrants a trip to the dr.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:29 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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I'm not a doctor or a psychologist, but from what I understand, it is normal. If this happened quite suddenly or if it is frequent and extreme, very calmly rule out that chas v'shalom anyone is touching her inappropriately by asking her. But again, calmly and don't sound nervous about it.
But the medical/psychological issue is diff from the Torah issue
now, in terms of haskofa
1) if your derech holds that such behavior for girls is assur (not the same issue as with boys, but some hold for girls it as assur al pi kabbalah) talk to a rebbetzin on the best way to explain to her not to do this. But please do so gently. Don't shame her. Just explain why it is not "what is done."
2) if your derech holds that such behavior in girls is not assur, then just tell her to be discreet. _________________ Say, Think or Do One Thing Now to Bring Moshiach!
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:29 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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thanks for replying ladies!
I was worried that its a sign of emotional disturbance.( was debating to post if I will be bashed at for not giving my DD attention...._)
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:31 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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dont tell her when and where to do it just tell her we don't do that
if she wants she will figure to do it alone
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | thanks for replying ladies!
I was worried that its a sign of emotional disturbance.( was debating to post if I will be bashed at for not giving my DD attention...._) |
nope kids do this. But again, if it is extreme, discuss it with her. Try to do it without embarrassing her. If it happened suddenly and is very frequent, I would want to rule out chas v'shalom that some outside event prompted it. If not, it is normal. But hasgofa is a different matter.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | thanks for replying ladies!
I was worried that its a sign of emotional disturbance.( was debating to post if I will be bashed at for not giving my DD attention...._) |
you should mention it to your pediatrician ESPECIALLY if it is a sign of emotional disturbance.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:33 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | dont tell her when and where to do it just tell her we don't do that
if she wants she will figure to do it alone |
amother, we don't know what OP's derech is. Maybe they hold it is not assur...(again, it is NOT the same halachic severity as it is with boys) but some hold acc to kabbalah it is not okay. Some don't.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | dont tell her when and where to do it just tell her we don't do that
if she wants she will figure to do it alone | amother, this is awful advice. For some, who in their derech in life there is no problem with this, telling the daughter that we dont do this will do more harm than good.
My daughter does this. She is younger, but what do I tell her? I dont tell her not to, that would just embarrass her. I tell her that that is something that she can do only in her own bed in her room.
That way she knows that this is something that should not be done on the living room floor, but something that is for private only.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:44 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| bamamama wrote: | | Touching herself is normal. You need to set boundaries that it's a private thing and is done in private and not in the car, etc. You also should tell her she needs to wash her hands before and after. And, ITA tthat you should ask her to tell you if her vulva ever hurts or is itchy as that warrants a trip to the dr. |
I agree with this advice entirely.
Honestly, this is not something that warrants a trip to the doctor's office! _________________ We must love one another or die.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:45 pm Post subject: Re: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| amother wrote: | | amother wrote: | dont tell her when and where to do it just tell her we don't do that
if she wants she will figure to do it alone | amother, this is awful advice. For some, who in their derech in life there is no problem with this, telling the daughter that we dont do this will do more harm than good.
My daughter does this. She is younger, but what do I tell her? I dont tell her not to, that would just embarrass her. I tell her that that is something that she can do only in her own bed in her room.
That way she knows that this is something that should not be done on the living room floor, but something that is for private only. |
I agree.
If you don't view it as problematic for females, there is absolutely no reason to make an issue of it. Period.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 2:51 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| TOTALLY AND COMPLETELY NORMAL! I am a mental health prof. and this is completely normal behavior that should be explained as private behavior ok in the privacy of your bed/bed room. do not make her feel vulgar, dirty or anything else. you sound like a loving and caring mom.
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 4:57 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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| Maybe she has pinworms?
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Posted: Tue, Aug 21 2012, 5:20 pm Post subject: re: daughter pleasuring herself??? help! |
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it is normal. girls will do this as they get older anyway, so what's the big deal if she does it now. you should NOT tell her this is wrong. there is nothing wrong with it. and it will give her some complex with herself when in reality she is normal.
as others have said, you must tell her (only if she is doing this in public), that is something not for public, this is for private only, when she is alone. just leave it at that. as she learns more she will understand, and you won't have harmed her with any "complexes".
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