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| Chayalle wrote: | I loved Awareness. I'm a 2 and married to a 4, and it helped me understand alot that I found frustrating about my DH. One of the best books I've ever read for my S/B.
Also made me more sympathetic toward my insufferable type 3 sibling. And amused about how I've always said that my DD and my favorite little sis are so similar - of course, they are both 7's.
I'd love to read Miriam's other book based on the Myers/Briggs system (Understanding People, Including Yourself) but it is out of print and only available for a fortune. Can anyone recommend any cheaper substitutes? | If you want to read the one by her, I think I saw it advertised this week, back in print. Maybe check it out! Although I am looking for a recommendation for a good MBTI book, too.
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 2:31 pm Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| chani8 wrote: | There are big differences between a 1 and a 6, but it has to do with the underlying reasons behind the behaviors.
A 6 is comfortable with following rules, esp rules made by trustworthy groups/institutions. My 6 DD said, "Ugh, why can't (sister) just do what she's supposed to do, and follow the school (tznius) rules!" 6s are so rule oriented that they make up rules. LOL. An example is DH suddenly declaring, "No little kids allowed in the kitchen."
A 1 follows rules, but only if those rules meet their criteria of worthiness (which can differ widely). Ex. In the army, new soldiers supposedly need permission to open windows on the bus. I thought it was a stupid rule, so I ignored it and opened the windows anyway. A 6 would probably sit there, fuming at the stupid and dangerous rule (that could result in overheating/fainting), but follow the rule nonetheless.
6s often think in judgements, trying to fit things nicely into 'good' or 'bad' boxes. My DD often asks, "Is that good or bad?" 6s can be critical of themselves and others, esp with regard to breaking/inforcing/absent rules. 1s judge and critique, in order to make improvements, not just stam to make people feel bad or punish them. And 1s can have boxes, too, but those boxes don't have lids (aren't closed).
Another example of differences would be in the area of mistakes. While people like to call 1s perfectionists, I have a bit of a problem with that term due to it's connotation of ignoring faults. A 1 thrives on noticing her faults or the problems in situations, in order to fix them. A 6 is more likely to not want to dwell on mistakes, just acknowledge or justify, and quickly move on. A 6 will make tshuva, and feel guilty. A 1 is excited to get clarity of a problem, or an aveira, in order to make tshuva and be a better person. The problem is, 1s are quick to see others mistakes and areas that need improvement, and point them out, and most people dont want to know, or think its none of the 1's business.
Another difference in this area is that 6s take criticism fairly well (by those they trust, and when done out of love/respect). However, 1s can be deeply hurt by criticism, even when done gently. 1s are their worst critic and a mere hint of criticism in a respectful loving manner is enough to devastate/inspire them to make a cheshbon hanefesh.
6s are inherently good, 1s strive for goodness. 6s are born with good middos. 1s strive for it. I'm kind of kidding here. 
I don't know if this was so accurate. I think wings make a big difference. A 6 with a strong 5 wing, will be able to see all the possibilities in a situation, similar to the way a 1 can see all the possible improvements in a situation.
If anyone could do a comparison between a 1 and a 4, I'd appreciate it. I think 1s strive for lofty, but 4s are naturally lofty? 4s have clarity of purpose, 1s strive for purpose and meaning. For 1s, the striving, the work, is everything, never satisfied that they've gotten wherever it is that they are going. 4s can be very satisfied just being. | As a four I can't see how someone would confuse me with a one. We are essentially opposites! Where ones are into rules and black and white thinking fours hate rules and are creative. Where ones focus on the tangible things in life and right and wrong fours focus on the deeper meaning and on pain and drama. Personally, I find it hard to get along with ones. They make me feel stifled.
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:26 pm Post subject: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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I love the enneagram. I once attended a workshop given by Ross-Hudson through the 'Learning Annex'
They found a few of each type in the audience and had them come to the front, We interviewed the types, and Ross-Hudson clarified some points. I also read literature by other authorities, Helen Palmer and David Daniels. Every 5 years or so I re-take Riso's test. I started as a 7, with a strong 4, 5, 6, a decent 1 and a shocking deficiency in 3, 8, and 9.
Shoring up my weak spots has been a focus for me for decades. When I was taking a lot of art classes, my 4 became stronger than my 7. When I became a wife/mother (BH) my 2 was developed to such a point that people think I'm naturally nurturing. (Ha!)
This is my 'take' on the discussions on this thread: 6's are very safety obsessed and are loyal to some 'group'- family, shita in Yiddishkeit, country, etc. Their consientiousness revolves around serving, strenthgening and protecting the 'group'. The counter-phobic 6 is like a reversal of the average 6 in some ways. They see the group and system and are also obsessed with them, only they rebel against them/it, and love to mis-match for enjoyment. The mingling of obedience-rebellion helps make them the most charming of the type's, with a great sense of the absurd and humor. (I also love the 6-5 type, Chani8)
The 1's are not so connected to safety or the 'group' but rather on an idealistic version of correct:incorrect. Their world is simpler and they are more superficial than the deep 4's, 5's.
I made some connections with chasidus/sefiros and the enneagram. Anybody interested? (please???) Oh, yeah. 4's are (very) right-brained, and 1's are very left-brained (into catagories and simplfying people into stereotypes, make things clear and dislike complicated.) 6's love 'complicated' and tensions/absurdities that arise from ambiguity. My opinion. Feedback, please?
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:29 pm Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| chani8 wrote: | There are big differences between a 1 and a 6, but it has to do with the underlying reasons behind the behaviors.
A 6 is comfortable with following rules, esp rules made by trustworthy groups/institutions. My 6 DD said, "Ugh, why can't (sister) just do what she's supposed to do, and follow the school (tznius) rules!" 6s are so rule oriented that they make up rules. LOL. An example is DH suddenly declaring, "No little kids allowed in the kitchen."
A 1 follows rules, but only if those rules meet their criteria of worthiness (which can differ widely). Ex. In the army, new soldiers supposedly need permission to open windows on the bus. I thought it was a stupid rule, so I ignored it and opened the windows anyway. A 6 would probably sit there, fuming at the stupid and dangerous rule (that could result in overheating/fainting), but follow the rule nonetheless.
6s often think in judgements, trying to fit things nicely into 'good' or 'bad' boxes. My DD often asks, "Is that good or bad?" 6s can be critical of themselves and others, esp with regard to breaking/inforcing/absent rules. 1s judge and critique, in order to make improvements, not just stam to make people feel bad or punish them. And 1s can have boxes, too, but those boxes don't have lids (aren't closed).
Another example of differences would be in the area of mistakes. While people like to call 1s perfectionists, I have a bit of a problem with that term due to it's connotation of ignoring faults. A 1 thrives on noticing her faults or the problems in situations, in order to fix them. A 6 is more likely to not want to dwell on mistakes, just acknowledge or justify, and quickly move on. A 6 will make tshuva, and feel guilty. A 1 is excited to get clarity of a problem, or an aveira, in order to make tshuva and be a better person. The problem is, 1s are quick to see others mistakes and areas that need improvement, and point them out, and most people dont want to know, or think its none of the 1's business.
Another difference in this area is that 6s take criticism fairly well (by those they trust, and when done out of love/respect). However, 1s can be deeply hurt by criticism, even when done gently. 1s are their worst critic and a mere hint of criticism in a respectful loving manner is enough to devastate/inspire them to make a cheshbon hanefesh.
6s are inherently good, 1s strive for goodness. 6s are born with good middos. 1s strive for it. I'm kind of kidding here.
I don't know if this was so accurate. I think wings make a big difference. A 6 with a strong 5 wing, will be able to see all the possibilities in a situation, similar to the way a 1 can see all the possible improvements in a situation.
If anyone could do a comparison between a 1 and a 4, I'd appreciate it. I think 1s strive for lofty, but 4s are naturally lofty? 4s have clarity of purpose, 1s strive for purpose and meaning. For 1s, the striving, the work, is everything, never satisfied that they've gotten wherever it is that they are going. 4s can be very satisfied just being. |
I hope you won't think I'm criticizing you , but I disagree with so much of what you wrote that I can't even start, it's too overwhelming 
In most of the differences you highlighted between 1s and 6s, the one traits described me better, and I'm a 6! One example is problem finding: 6s LIVE to find problems. They're skeptical detectives. If you want to work out the kinks of a project, tell it to a 6. They'll foresee every single possible thing that could ever maybe go wrong, so you can work safeguards into your project to prevent them from happening in the first place.
Also, don't forget that there are two kinds of 6s: phobic and counter-phobic, and most 6s fluctuate between the two. Phobic 6s are the ones who always follow rules, counter phobic 6s tend to revolt against rules, or at least test the waters. This also manifests in less extreme ways. That's why type 6 is called the "loyal skeptic"--we either trust or we don't, and we can have the hardest time deciding which modus operandi is best.
Your understanding of the enneagram is interesting to me. As I understand it, no one type has "better" middos. They each have different degrees of various traits, but no type is healthier than another. Each uses their traits for good or bad, depending on the level of health.
4s are dreamy, idealistic artist types who crave and value self expression and poetry of all forms. Emotions are very important to them. 1s are principled, demanding of themselves and others, and like everything to serve a practical purpose.
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:46 pm Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Earnest wrote: | | This is my 'take' on the discussions on this thread: 6's are very safety obsessed and are loyal to some 'group'- family, shita in Yiddishkeit, country, etc. Their consientiousness revolves around serving, strenthgening and protecting the 'group'. The counter-phobic 6 is like a reversal of the average 6 in some ways. They see the group and system and are also obsessed with them, only they rebel against them/it, and love to mis-match for enjoyment. |
I would add the 6s are not just loyal to groups; it goes much deeper than that. It can be a sense of loyalty to certain ideas, ideals, or individual people. It's not just a group thing, though groups, actual or conceptual, usually do play a large role. Rather, the underlying theme of 6s could be summed up as "loyalty", not "groups".
| Earnest wrote: | | The 1's are not so connected to safety or the 'group' but rather on an idealistic version of correct:incorrect. Their world is simpler and they are more superficial than the deep 4's, 5's. |
Well put. This can also make 1s dangerous at the very unhealthy levels (though of course all types are dangerous, in one way or another, at those levels), because since they are so obsessed with right and wrong, they view themselves as the final arbiters of that and can fail to assess their own lack of objectivity. I've had some dealings with ones like this, and believe me, it's not fun. 
On the other hand, while it may be true that there are more deep-thinking 4,5,6s than 1s, IMHO it would be a mistake to say that ones in general are more superficial people.
| Earnest wrote: | | I made some connections with chasidus/sefiros and the enneagram. Anybody interested? |
Sounds fascinating. I had been trying, myself, to connect chesed, gevurah, tiferes etc. to the enneagram but could not come up with anything and came to the conclusion that there's no correlation. Sometimes I have to remind myself that not every single concept in the world is somehow connected. Is that a 6/5 thing too?
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:49 pm Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Sherri wrote: | | Chayalle wrote: | I loved Awareness. I'm a 2 and married to a 4, and it helped me understand alot that I found frustrating about my DH. One of the best books I've ever read for my S/B.
Also made me more sympathetic toward my insufferable type 3 sibling. And amused about how I've always said that my DD and my favorite little sis are so similar - of course, they are both 7's.
I'd love to read Miriam's other book based on the Myers/Briggs system (Understanding People, Including Yourself) but it is out of print and only available for a fortune. Can anyone recommend any cheaper substitutes? | If you want to read the one by her, I think I saw it advertised this week, back in print. Maybe check it out! Although I am looking for a recommendation for a good MBTI book, too. | Anyone?
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:59 pm Post subject: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Sherri, without meaning to sound flippant, what happens when you google Meyer Briggs books? In Brooklyn, and in other places, a library can 'special order' a book from another library system through inter-library loans. I heard that the Queens (NY) library will even buy a book if you ask them! Your understanding of Meyers-Briggs will be deeper if you read different authors-authorities 'take' on the subject. Where are you located?
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| Earnest wrote: | | Sherri, without meaning to sound flippant, what happens when you google Meyer Briggs books? In Brooklyn, and in other places, a library can 'special order' a book from another library system through inter-library loans. I heard that the Queens (NY) library will even buy a book if you ask them! Your understanding of Meyers-Briggs will be deeper if you read different authors-authorities 'take' on the subject. Where are you located? | I was asking for a recommendation from posters (Googling won't tell me that), not sure what you're asking.
Anyway, I found an old thread in which I had asked for a recommendation (I had forgotten about it and never saw the answers) and I just reserved the book by the author of the MBTI- apparently that's a good one. Who woulda' thunk? 
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 9:41 pm Post subject: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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Enneamom, I read one of Helen Palmers books where she tries to correlate the e. types to the sefiros, and it was like hearing the sound of nails on a blackboard. Disturbing. Sometimes on the money, sometimes way, way off. So, Eureka, one day I felt I got it. I ran it by Miriam Adahan when she came to NY to give lectures, and she agreed with me. Yea! My one contribution to the world! Here goes: The enneagram is also divided into 3 'Head' Groups, 3 'Heart' groups, 3 'Liver/Kidney Instinct Group. The easiest to place are the Heart goups. Riso said the Heart groups are all tuned-in to Pride/Shame. Chesed is 2, represented by Avraham Avinu. He gives from a high place (Princely) and is healthy-Pride. Giving practical gifts, food and water in the desert. Gevurah is 3, represented by Yitzchak Avinu, focusing on 'digging wells', bringing the hidden potential out into revelation. Repression (gevura) Hiskafia/Hischapa, in order to achieve. Proud, of course. 4 is Tiferes, Titen Emes L'Yakov, Rachamim/compassion and empathy, truth (emotional truth, hating hypocrisy), Beauty, feeling shame, a lack of pride, sees tragedy and identifies with it; (Yakov described his life so sorrowfully to Paroh.)
The 'Head' Groups share a hidden common awareness to Fear. 7, motivated by desire, pleasure,(fear of pain, discomfort) and will is Keter, Keter is all about Ratzon/Will and Ta'anug/Pleasure. The intellect of 7 grabs onto the general 'gist' of things in an instant, more connected to insight/flashes of intuition/chachma than other intellectual types. 5 is Binah, (frightened by ignorance) motivated by understanding concepts deeply. Understanding/Knowledge = Safety, Ignorance = Danger.
6 is frightened by danger 6 is...about connection with the group, experiential 'knowing'/Adam 'knowing' Chava, safety is...Da'as, identified with the 'throat', 'I can't swallow this...' Skeptic. The body depends on the throat to spit out spoiled food, etc. and the emotions/Heart depends on the 'throat-Da'as to 'give birth to' emotions of the heart. 6 connects two opposite worlds, the world of the intellect (5) to the world of emotions (love/awe, 2/3) 6-Daas is the Connector for the Group/Body. The instinctual numbers are: 8 is Netzach, loving confrontation and conquering the opposition. 1 is Hod, being modeh, submitting to the 'truth', submissive to the correct way (G-dliness), Yesod is 9, motivated by creating unity, bonding.
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| yy wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | yy, what are you?
I'm a 1, so I got a kick out of your example. It was perfect. |
I'm a four. Or probably a four-two combination. With a very strong five wing. |
And with all this discussion I've read more, thought more - haven't really done deep thinking about this in a while.... and now I think maybe I had it backwards! Could I be a five with a four wing? Yes, I could. I think that's actually what I am (revelation!). And still a lot of two mixed in there for good measure.
Now everyone can sleep better. I'm sure you needed to know this.
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| Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 11:32 pm Post subject: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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Earnest, superb!  A lot of what you said rang true.
It's interesting about the groups of 3, and the 9, the crown, which is related to a concept we have in gematria. Did you ever read Living Inspired by R' Akiva Tatz? He really explains the concept of 3 well (not the enneagram type 3, the concept of units of 3 in Yiddishkeit & creation). It could fit in nicely here. 3-6-9 is also the "tritype" or maybe the core group? So it makes sense that they would connect the rest...how would you stretch the concept you gave with 6 to apply to 3 & 9? And they are all multiples of 3, don't forget...
The heart/mind/instinct thing really got me thinking lately about the way thoughts/emotions are attributed to Moach, Lev, and Klayos (heart, mind and kidneys) in sefarim.
If you think about it, most emotions we have are felt physically in one of these locations. We feel stress in the head (headache), fear in the heart (tight chest, palpitations), and dread/sadness in the intestines/digestive system (pit-of-the-stomach feeling anyone?). Not sure how this connects, but the thought really grabbed me.
YY, congrats on your revelation!
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| enneamom wrote: | Earnest, superb! A lot of what you said rang true.
It's interesting about the groups of 3, and the 9, the crown, which is related to a concept we have in gematria. Did you ever read Living Inspired by R' Akiva Tatz? He really explains the concept of 3 well (not the enneagram type 3, the concept of units of 3 in Yiddishkeit & creation). It could fit in nicely here. 3-6-9 is also the "tritype" or maybe the core group? So it makes sense that they would connect the rest...how would you stretch the concept you gave with 6 to apply to 3 & 9? And they are all multiples of 3, don't forget...
The heart/mind/instinct thing really got me thinking lately about the way thoughts/emotions are attributed to Moach, Lev, and Klayos (heart, mind and kidneys) in sefarim.
If you think about it, most emotions we have are felt physically in one of these locations. We feel stress in the head (headache), fear in the heart (tight chest, palpitations), and dread/sadness in the intestines/digestive system (pit-of-the-stomach feeling anyone?). Not sure how this connects, but the thought really grabbed me.
YY, congrats on your revelation! | This is getting waaaay too technical for me
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2012, 1:37 am Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| yy wrote: | | yy wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | yy, what are you?
I'm a 1, so I got a kick out of your example. It was perfect. |
I'm a four. Or probably a four-two combination. With a very strong five wing. |
And with all this discussion I've read more, thought more - haven't really done deep thinking about this in a while.... and now I think maybe I had it backwards! Could I be a five with a four wing? Yes, I could. I think that's actually what I am (revelation!). And still a lot of two mixed in there for good measure.
Now everyone can sleep better. I'm sure you needed to know this. | My best friend is a five four. The one that doesn't want to get married if u remember that thread. She's way diff than me. Very closed and it's hard for her to open up to ppl and form relationships and express her feelings. Though she does have feelings from her four wing. Plus she has a one side Which only complicates matters.
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2012, 1:45 am Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Zehava wrote: | | yy wrote: | | yy wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | yy, what are you?
I'm a 1, so I got a kick out of your example. It was perfect. |
I'm a four. Or probably a four-two combination. With a very strong five wing. |
And with all this discussion I've read more, thought more - haven't really done deep thinking about this in a while.... and now I think maybe I had it backwards! Could I be a five with a four wing? Yes, I could. I think that's actually what I am (revelation!). And still a lot of two mixed in there for good measure.
Now everyone can sleep better. I'm sure you needed to know this. | My best friend is a five four. The one that doesn't want to get married if u remember that thread. She's way diff than me. Very closed and it's hard for her to open up to ppl and form relationships and express her feelings. Though she does have feelings from her four wing. Plus she has a one side Which only complicates matters. |
Do fives necessarily have a hard time with relationships and expressing feelings? I'm not like that - I'm an emotional and creative type (like a four). How DO I actually figure out which of two adjacent types I am - and do I really need to, or can I just say I'm a combination? Hmmm
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| yy wrote: | | Zehava wrote: | | yy wrote: | | yy wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | yy, what are you?
I'm a 1, so I got a kick out of your example. It was perfect. |
I'm a four. Or probably a four-two combination. With a very strong five wing. |
And with all this discussion I've read more, thought more - haven't really done deep thinking about this in a while.... and now I think maybe I had it backwards! Could I be a five with a four wing? Yes, I could. I think that's actually what I am (revelation!). And still a lot of two mixed in there for good measure.
Now everyone can sleep better. I'm sure you needed to know this. | My best friend is a five four. The one that doesn't want to get married if u remember that thread. She's way diff than me. Very closed and it's hard for her to open up to ppl and form relationships and express her feelings. Though she does have feelings from her four wing. Plus she has a one side Which only complicates matters. |
Do fives necessarily have a hard time with relationships and expressing feelings? I'm not like that - I'm an emotional and creative type (like a four). How DO I actually figure out which of two adjacent types I am - and do I really need to, or can I just say I'm a combination? Hmmm | If you're more open about your feelings and want closeness you're probably more of a four
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| I had a classmate who's a 5 with a strong eight side. She bullied me a lot. Im guessing it made her feel powerful
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2012, 2:41 am Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Zehava wrote: | | yy wrote: | | Zehava wrote: | | yy wrote: | | yy wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | yy, what are you?
I'm a 1, so I got a kick out of your example. It was perfect. |
I'm a four. Or probably a four-two combination. With a very strong five wing. |
And with all this discussion I've read more, thought more - haven't really done deep thinking about this in a while.... and now I think maybe I had it backwards! Could I be a five with a four wing? Yes, I could. I think that's actually what I am (revelation!). And still a lot of two mixed in there for good measure.
Now everyone can sleep better. I'm sure you needed to know this. | My best friend is a five four. The one that doesn't want to get married if u remember that thread. She's way diff than me. Very closed and it's hard for her to open up to ppl and form relationships and express her feelings. Though she does have feelings from her four wing. Plus she has a one side Which only complicates matters. |
Do fives necessarily have a hard time with relationships and expressing feelings? I'm not like that - I'm an emotional and creative type (like a four). How DO I actually figure out which of two adjacent types I am - and do I really need to, or can I just say I'm a combination? Hmmm | If you're more open about your feelings and want closeness you're probably more of a four |
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| And yy your wanting to figure yourself out is definitely very four!!!
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2012, 3:00 am Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Zehava wrote: | | And yy your wanting to figure yourself out is definitely very four!!! |
An aha moment!!
Thank you!
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| Posted: Tue, Jul 24 2012, 5:31 am Post subject: Re: re: awareness by miriam adahan |
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| Earnest wrote: | I love the enneagram. I once attended a workshop given by Ross-Hudson through the 'Learning Annex'
They found a few of each type in the audience and had them come to the front, We interviewed the types, and Ross-Hudson clarified some points. I also read literature by other authorities, Helen Palmer and David Daniels. Every 5 years or so I re-take Riso's test. I started as a 7, with a strong 4, 5, 6, a decent 1 and a shocking deficiency in 3, 8, and 9.
Shoring up my weak spots has been a focus for me for decades. When I was taking a lot of art classes, my 4 became stronger than my 7. When I became a wife/mother (BH) my 2 was developed to such a point that people think I'm naturally nurturing. (Ha!)
This is my 'take' on the discussions on this thread: 6's are very safety obsessed and are loyal to some 'group'- family, shita in Yiddishkeit, country, etc. Their consientiousness revolves around serving, strenthgening and protecting the 'group'. The counter-phobic 6 is like a reversal of the average 6 in some ways. They see the group and system and are also obsessed with them, only they rebel against them/it, and love to mis-match for enjoyment. The mingling of obedience-rebellion helps make them the most charming of the type's, with a great sense of the absurd and humor. (I also love the 6-5 type, Chani8)
The 1's are not so connected to safety or the 'group' but rather on an idealistic version of correct:incorrect. Their world is simpler and they are more superficial than the deep 4's, 5's.
I made some connections with chasidus/sefiros and the enneagram. Anybody interested? (please???) Oh, yeah. 4's are (very) right-brained, and 1's are very left-brained (into catagories and simplfying people into stereotypes, make things clear and dislike complicated.) 6's love 'complicated' and tensions/absurdities that arise from ambiguity. My opinion. Feedback, please? |
I found your post interesting, except for the bolded. I can agree that a 1 might be simpler, perhaps, than a 4 or 5, however, superficial is more for 7s or 3s than 1s. I've never heard of a 1 being superficial. How can a person whose very nature is intuition, be superficial? In fact, 1s are quite deep, in a simplistic, uncomplicated way.
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