Where shoudl we go?

Posted: Thu, Jun 02 2011, 3:57 pm Post subject: Re: re: Where shoudl we go?

[quote="eyima"]Thanks everyone for replying!

Detroit- How big is the community? Are there young families moving in?]

Yes, lots. But don't expect to join a kollel and get paid well, if at all.

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Baltimore has a wide range of types and plenty of people wear scarves or snoods. I would be concerned about the day school education for your children in Scranton or Detroit - you would be better off in Baltimore and sending to the more "Charedi Schools" such as TI or Bnos.

But you will be very disappointed any where in the US the level of materialism is much higher regardless and it is spirtually on a much lower level. If you can stay where you are.

Posted: Thu, Jun 02 2011, 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: Where shoudl we go?

Posted: Thu, Jun 02 2011, 5:01 pm Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

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I don't think Toronto is what you are looking for. Certainly not Thornhill! If you aren't Canadian you aren't guaranteed immigration and there can be a lot of issues with that.

I would be more inclined to consider Detroit or Baltimore.

Posted: Thu, Jun 02 2011, 11:38 pm Post subject: Re: re: Where shoudl we go?

Posted: Thu, Jun 02 2011, 11:42 pm Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

As Rubber ducky said, there are women who have hechsherim on their kitchens and do sell food by order.

Sushi, take out, cakes, dips, kuges, shabbos food, etc. No pizza though.

Posted: Fri, Jun 03 2011, 2:26 am Post subject: re: Where should we go?

what are the house prices in the places you are all talking about...that is important information that no one is addressing for the OP

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What's your plan for parnassa?

If you already have 4 school tuitions to think about - are you really going to be able to do better in the States?

Have you considered moving within Israel or jobs in Israel or getting more education/training to get higher paying jobs in Israel??

And where are you from originally in the States? If I had to go back, a big pull would be where I grew up or close to it.

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Hi everyone,

It has beenm a while since looking at this thread. You can read the origional post to read what I am looking for. We had put our plans on hold for a bit and are now back to deciding where to go. We have been hearing a bit about Detroit and Cleveland. Can anyone tell me about the schools there and about the yeshivish communities in general? Thanks

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My computer has been down for a while, so I have not had a chance to check back here. I think someone PM'ed me but somehow I can't find it. Anyone know about detroit and cleveland? Also, I am inteterested to look at what the housing is like in the two areas...if I want to look on zillow, what streets should I look at in both places (which st's are the most yeshivish?)
Thanks

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 10:26 am Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

OP, I'm in Cleveland. If you are looking for a more sheltered, strictly yeshivishe environment, then you should look into Wickliffe, which is where Telshe Yeshiva is. It's about a 20-minute drive to Cleveland Heights, which is where the elementary schools are. There are two schools that might work for you: Mosdos Ohr Hatorah, which is the more cheder-like one, and the Hebrew Academy, which is a day school...the rabbeim are quite yeshivish, but the student body covers a huge range of hashkafos. My kids are in Mosdos. Keep in mind that it will be different from an E"Y mentality. There is a big difference between chareidi and yeshivish.

Don't know what your husband's background is; if he's a BT, he may be interested in Rabbi Brog's program. Rabbi Brog is a grandson of R' Avigdor Miller zt"l, and he has a small yeshiva on the Telshe campus. They learn in the regular beis medrash. Guys in the program tend to be very earnest and dedicated BTs. Rabbi Brog is a very involved rebbe and gives a lot of guidance. Some people like that level of involvement, others don't. Or, if your husband is interested in learning in the regular Telshe, he could certainly do that as long as he's okay with not getting a stipend. Also, sometimes finding a chevrusa is tricky, since Telshe is small. Rav Getzel Fried is a tzaddik and a big talmid chacham, and takes people under his wing, and learns b'chevrusa with them, he is wonderful. Or of course your husband could learn at Torah Life, which is the kollel in Cleveland Heights, or at the kollel in University Heights (five minutes from Cleveland Heights, more mixed neighborhood). Getting into the kollel is hard, requires connections plus a high level of learning. The main issue for someone who wants to learn but isn't in the kollel is finding a chevrusa. Hard to find someone who's available during the day. If your husband is considering working, then there are many men in the community who learn in Dirshu (early morning) or at night seder. Easier to find a chevrusa during those times.

You wanted to know about "yeshivishe" streets. There's no such thing as an exclusively yeshivish street in Cleveland. In Cleveland Heights, where I live, there is a high proportion of yeshivish, but intermingled with somewhat modern people (a minority), plus non-Jews. The best streets to look at in Cleveland Heights are Bendemeer and Shannon. Other streets are Severn, Berkeley, Blanche. In Wickliffe, Telshe is at 28400 Euclid Avenue (in Wickliffe). Yeshiva housing is on Yeshiva Lane and Nutwood Lane. Streets to look at include Bishop Rd., Clark Drive, Johnson Drive. People also rent apartments at Bishop Park Apartments, which is a short walk from yeshiva (maybe 10 minutes?).

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 10:36 am Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

Forgot to add--if you end up renting at Bishop Park, get a garden apartment (I.e. not in a high rise). These are built in a "ches" shape, with grass in the middle, so you can sit outside chatting with other ladies while your kids play. Definitely speak with people who are currently living there to find out which "ches" to rent in--you want one that has a lot of Jewish families and no anti-Semitic neighbors.

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 10:43 am Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

For Cleveland info, you might want to go to localjewishnews.com and subscribe to their daily emails. It has advertising for shiurim, events, job postings, frum businesses, etc. for the Cleveland frum community.

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 10:52 am Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

Here's a house on Severn (the pricier CH street). The asking price is $137,900.

http://www.localjewishnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/3746SevernRD.png

It's a fairly typical CH house, although more updated than many.

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 2:14 pm Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

For Cleveland amother someone mentioned to me a house in Beechwood on Blossom Lane that is really affordable. Are you familiar with that street? Are there any yeshivish people there? Due to the metzia we may be seriously looking at this house, but would love more info on the type of area that this is located in.

Posted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 3:55 pm Post subject: re: Where shoudl we go?

Beachwood is generally a more modern crowd, more well-to-do. Blossom Lane houses are waaaay fancier than your typical Cleveland Heights or University Heights house. If you're looking for an E"Y type simplicity, Blossom Lane may not be the right choice. The people there are really nice, generally down to earth, good people, however they tend to have TV/Internet and other secular influences which I would be concerned about my kids being too exposed to. You also mentioned tznius as an issue--the way people dress there is different from what you said you were looking for.

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Thanks for all of the info on cleveland. (I am not the amother who asked about beechwood above, just to clarify).
As much as wickliffe sounds great, I have heard that we wouldnt be happy if we are not part of the yeshiva. What do you think about that?