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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 6:06 am    Post subject: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Does anyone know if you can wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days? Can I wash the tablecloth if its dirty from shabbos and I need it next week? Can I wash my shabbos clothes if I won't have anything else to wear?

I know you'll tell me to ask my LOR but dh hasn't officially got a rav as we just moved to a new community...
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 6:24 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
You can clean a stain (just the stain). Otherwise you can't launder. If you need a special heter, you'll have to take the advice you don't want - ask an OR. Where are you/ what kind of rav? Maybe someone here can give you a name/ number. Or ask your old rav - it's simple enough by phone.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 7:06 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
I think a lot of us will have this problem this year. 2 shabbosim. I don't know if I have enough tablecloths. We had tons of guests on shabbos and will likely have lots this shabbos. (plus sleepover guests)

I think I can manage with shabbos clothes, but its towels and sheets and tablecloths that are the problem. I can't give guests used sheets and towels. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 7:11 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
What I know of is that if it is letzorech and you don't have anything else you wash and then you throw it on the floor and rumple it and then it is not "clean and new". But only if you really need it (like sheets or towels to give guests) and have no alternative. You have to use your intuitive knowledge however of what you really need. A baby who will run out of cloth diapers for example, you wash without question if you can't afford to buy more.

Any chance of buying a paper tablecloth for that one shabbat? Or a disposable woven one that they now sell. Under such circumstances I doubt that anyone - and I am the queen of not wanting to use disposables, remember?! - would raise an eyebrow. Again if you can afford it...
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 8:45 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Pretty sure that friends have told me that the rov says to buy new, rather than wash. But maybe you can borrow from a neighbor ?
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 10:24 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
I heard to buy new anything rather than to wash but problem is when you need tights and ALL the stores here are closed!

I remember my mother being told that towels and shmattes (that will otherwise smell, and are needed) can be washed along with baby clothes that are needed. Once the load is going in, you can put anything else that may be needed. I plan on using this heter since there is no way I will have enough stuff for my baby to wear especially if he goes through 2 pjs a night!
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 22 2012, 9:03 pm    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Not everyone holds that you can do the floor thing.

And I've also heard it might be better to buy than wash.

You need to ask a rav. Sorry Sad
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 5:43 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
good idea about the disposable tablecloth. Or we will use the interesting assortment of cloths we have that people have given as gifts over the year. Hopefully it will be a quieter shabbos, with less tourists.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 5:49 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Raisin, you should ask about the towels and sheets - maybe it's allowed since it's considered like you've run out.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 6:14 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
What's that heter, stinky stuff can be washed, and you can throw in more non-stinky stuff? I am drowning in laundry, buth stinky and not, and my kids can't find clothes. This started on Motzaei Shabbos. Rolling Eyes Today my once-a-week cleaner will find more clothes all over the house, and get everything wet with sponga water, and throw it in the laundry room, because that's what she does.

Also, we're supposed to go on vacation the morning after the fast. When exactly do I pack clean clothes for everyone?
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 6:31 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Are you sephardi? If you are then you can do laundry-and shave, shower, etc. Restrictions only kept in week that tisha b'av falls in. This year not kept at all because pushed to sunday
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 6:31 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
for children younger than seven you can wash everything.
if it's not shavua shechal bo you may wash what you need for shabos.
the real question is: is this week considered shavua shechal bo?
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 6:36 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
- Why is it better to buy new than to wash old? That is counterintuitive to me.

- I would wash clothes for Shabbat if I had no alternative (or if the only alternative was stinky clothing). Shabbat is still Shabbat.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 6:38 am    Post subject: Re: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Tinkerbelle wrote:
for children younger than seven you can wash everything.


There are about 100 different psakim for this. I don't know why you are bringing it as THE psak.

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if it's not shavua shechal bo you may wash what you need for shabos.


Never, ever heard that. And by that reasoning, it would never be shavua shechal bo if there's still another Shabbos left.

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the real question is: is this week considered shavua shechal bo?


Another machlokes. Another ask your LOR.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 7:14 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
As it is nidcheh I think that this week is shavua shechal bo, no?
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 7:18 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
I was told (but need to check this up) that since tisha bav is pushed off you can do laundry straight after tisha b'av. (since it is already 10 av at night)
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Raisin wrote:
I think a lot of us will have this problem this year. 2 shabbosim. I don't know if I have enough tablecloths. We had tons of guests on shabbos and will likely have lots this shabbos. (plus sleepover guests)

I think I can manage with shabbos clothes, but its towels and sheets and tablecloths that are the problem. I can't give guests used sheets and towels. Sad


From what I know, table clothes and towels are not a problem to wash. There's no problem in washing itself like on chol amoed, there's a problem in using clean things. Table clothes, towels, socks and stockings as well as soiled children's clothes could be washed. Am no sure about shabos clothes though.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 8:34 am    Post subject: Re: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
r_ch wrote:


From what I know, table clothes and towels are not a problem to wash. There's no problem in washing itself like on chol amoed, there's a problem in using clean things. Table clothes, towels, socks and stockings as well as soiled children's clothes could be washed. Am no sure about shabos clothes though.


I'm sorry, please disregard!

Citing from "Halichos Bas Yisroel":

25:11: Beginning Rosh Chodesh Av, it is forbidden to launder clothes, sheets, and tablecloths, even with the intention to use them after Tishah B'Av *20> Shulchan Arukh and Remah 551:3, and Mishnah Berurah.* This restriction includes underwar and it also applies to Shabbath clothes. *21> Mishnah Berurah 551:32, based on the Magen Avraham and the Chaye Adam. The Mishnah Berurah rules that a person who owns only one garment may launder it unteil the week of Tishah B'Av. This also applies to a person who does not have a white shirt for Shabbath.*

Laundering is permitted for the sake of a mitzvah. For example, a woman may launder white underwear which is to be worn during the seven clean days following her menstrual period. This may even be done during the week of Tishah B'Av itself. *22> Shulchan Arkh 551:3, Mishnah Berurah 551:30-31*.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 9:24 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
I think I will need to ask a sheilah. My daughter is starting camp during the nine days which makes it really hard laundry wise. I found some shmattah t-shirts she is wearing in the meanwhile but underwear and socks are not in endless supply and I don't want to send her with dirty stuff to take along. Anyone else have this problem?
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 23 2012, 9:28 am    Post subject: re: Can you wash shabbos clothes in the 9 days?
 
Honestly, why are you asking now? Why didn't you ask 2 weeks ago or just have bought some?

Maybe it's my control-freak nature, but I've been counting clothing for the past month to make sure we can get through the nine days, barring unforseen circumstances.
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