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| observer wrote: | | What I can't stand is when I see "I should of..." or "I could of..." AAAARGH!!! It's "should HAVE" or "could HAVE". |
Or could've and should've, which is how the mistake comes about.
| Quote: | | I also hate when people put an apostrophe before a plural s, as in ads that say "we have the best menorah's in town" or "more than a dozen salad's". |
Yes! Or "it's", when they mean the possessive, not "it is".
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insure-ensure-assure are really not interchangeable.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 9:50 am Post subject: Re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| elf123 wrote: | Okay, it's not grammar, it's spelling, but...
DEFIANTLY. It is a word.
It is not the same as "definitely." I (hopefully) don't need to explain what either of them mean, but I have noticed several times in the past few days alone that posters are using the word "defiantly" when they very clearly mean to say "definitely."
I'm not sure why. It's likely not a spelling mistake, as it's been more than one poster and they are always using that specific (wrong) spelling instead of the correct one.
Anyway, just wanted to clear that up, not sure why it's bothering me, and I doubt it will help, but...I do feel a little better now.
Have a good day! Stay hydrated! |
I was about to post this same thing today, after reading several threads yesterday in which people said "defiantly." I don't think we need another thread about ALL the mistakes that bug people (we have old ones and recent ones that are doing a fine job of that!), but we did need a thread about DEFIANTLY. 
It's not just on imamother, though - it's everywhere. And it's driving me nuts too. (Makes me wonder if people are pronouncing "definitely" like this - DEFF-ee-ent-ly. Just not knowing what the world actually is and what it means?)
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 9:59 am Post subject: Re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| yy wrote: | | elf123 wrote: | Okay, it's not grammar, it's spelling, but...
DEFIANTLY. It is a word.
It is not the same as "definitely." I (hopefully) don't need to explain what either of them mean, but I have noticed several times in the past few days alone that posters are using the word "defiantly" when they very clearly mean to say "definitely."
I'm not sure why. It's likely not a spelling mistake, as it's been more than one poster and they are always using that specific (wrong) spelling instead of the correct one.
Anyway, just wanted to clear that up, not sure why it's bothering me, and I doubt it will help, but...I do feel a little better now.
Have a good day! Stay hydrated! |
I was about to post this same thing today, after reading several threads yesterday in which people said "defiantly." I don't think we need another thread about ALL the mistakes that bug people (we have old ones and recent ones that are doing a fine job of that!), but we did need a thread about DEFIANTLY.
It's not just on imamother, though - it's everywhere. And it's driving me nuts too. (Makes me wonder if people are pronouncing "definitely" like this - DEFF-ee-ent-ly. Just not knowing what the world actually is and what it means?) |
Thanks for your support, YY...as I said, I do not bother to correct all the mistakes here (proof: I've never started such a thread before!), but this "defiantly" thing was for some reason niggling at me....
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 10:13 am Post subject: Re: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| sarahd wrote: | | elf123 wrote: | | Nope, I checked. It's "defiantly," which is more likely anyway b/c it's a real word and if you typed it that way spellcheck wouldn't catch it. (Not saying no one ever misspelled it in another way, but I DEFINITELY noticed it spelled "defiantly" quite a few times.) |
I bet they're writing "definately" for definitely and their spellchecker is changing it to defiantly. |
I agree with SarahD -- it almost certainly relates to the use of an autocorrect program, to typing fast, or to people who are not native English speakers. Additionally, and as Chani stated, many posters prefer to write in a colloquial, or casual, manner. I know that I do.
While I try to proof my posts, I am aware that I make more than my share of typos. If it bothers people, I presume they know how to block my posts. In the meantime, I'll refrain from proofing and correcting the grammar of any poster who complains about the grammar and spelling of another poster, although I'd love to do so.
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 10:22 am Post subject: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| Not sure about auto correct, but I just intentionally misspelled definitely as definately and "defiantly" did not even come up as a suggested word. And, as I have pointed out several times, I did not single out any posters, and I'm pretty sure that they were all native English speakers, and I'm really not trying to be critical or mean. There are tons of mistakes that people make, some that many/most people make (as others have pointed out on this thread), and I'm not talking about "colloquialisms" or dumb/cutesy abbreviations or fast typing mistakes. I was simply pointing out that "defiantly" and "definitely" are two different words that a number of people seem to be confusing.
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| elf123 wrote: | | gp2.0 wrote: | Those of us who are sticklers for proper grammar and spelling will continue to be so. Those of us who don't care enough about spelling and punctuation to double-check and add apostrophes in appropriate places...well, we don't care.
Now, a word from Ms. Etiquette Person: if someone just makes a couple little mistakes that don't really impact the quality of their writing, don't point it out to them personally. Just let it go. A thread like this isn't terrible, but I've seen posters correcting grammar in middle of threads. No one is perfect. Breathe deep, live and let live. |
FYI, I am a professional proofreader/editor. If I were to correct every mistake I see here (not to mention in newspapers, newsletter, magazines etc.) it would be never-ending. The mistakes here are endless, and I generally ignore them, or I wouldn't even be able to read most of the threads here. (In case I am coming across as "snobby" about it, I am totally not.) I am able to "tune out" most of these mistakes and it's all good. However, this defiantly/definitely thing really had me  , which is why I pointed it out. And obviously I did not point it out to anyone personally. |
FWIW, I'm a professional writer/editor/proofreader too. 
But I save the absolutely, triple-checked, more-perfect-than-perfect grammar and punctuation for official documents.
Even if I doubt sentence structure in one of my posts, I'm not going to correct it, because I regard posts on imamother as casual conversation. (And I just hesitated for a second, trying to decide if it should be 'as casual' or 'like casual.' I can't help automatically double-checking my posts sometimes. But then I remind myself that my posts don't have to be perfect.)
ITA that misspelled words and misplaced grammar are annoying. (Just corrected 'is' to 'are.') Every time I see a word or punctuation mark that doesn't belong, a little BUZZBUZZ goes off in my head. However one of MY favorite activities is to double-check the posts of people who correct other people's spelling, and find all the errors in THEIR posts. 
You didn't come off as snobby at all, not that I noticed. It's just that I have two pet peeves. The first is people who criticize. The second is bad grammar. Actually, I have a lot more than two. But we'll leave it at that.
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| gp2.0 wrote: | | elf123 wrote: | | gp2.0 wrote: | Those of us who are sticklers for proper grammar and spelling will continue to be so. Those of us who don't care enough about spelling and punctuation to double-check and add apostrophes in appropriate places...well, we don't care.
Now, a word from Ms. Etiquette Person: if someone just makes a couple little mistakes that don't really impact the quality of their writing, don't point it out to them personally. Just let it go. A thread like this isn't terrible, but I've seen posters correcting grammar in middle of threads. No one is perfect. Breathe deep, live and let live. |
FYI, I am a professional proofreader/editor. If I were to correct every mistake I see here (not to mention in newspapers, newsletter, magazines etc.) it would be never-ending. The mistakes here are endless, and I generally ignore them, or I wouldn't even be able to read most of the threads here. (In case I am coming across as "snobby" about it, I am totally not.) I am able to "tune out" most of these mistakes and it's all good. However, this defiantly/definitely thing really had me , which is why I pointed it out. And obviously I did not point it out to anyone personally. |
FWIW, I'm a professional writer/editor/proofreader too.
But I save the absolutely, triple-checked, more-perfect-than-perfect grammar and punctuation for official documents.
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Same here, I see we're quite a club! But as I said in my earlier post, I understand that English is not the first language for everyone on here. Whilst you're discussing pet peeves, don't you often wonder who's proof-reading all those magazines when I can barely read them without getting irritated? It's difficult to get a good read these days...
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 10:55 am Post subject: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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it's normally just a typo
sometimes I make little mistakes when I write things because I'm tired then in the morning with fresh eyes I spot the mistakes
something people say sometimes is "done" instead of "did". for example "you know what I done over the weekend"
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| Posted: Fri, Jul 06 2012, 12:21 pm Post subject: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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Nah, it's not a typo or autocorrect. Definitly might be a typo (or not). Definately is just not knowing how to spell it. Defiantly is just not getting what the word actually is, and probably not knowing how it's pronounced, either.
But it's OK, I get that people will make mistakes - and I don't judge the person - it is what it is! Still worth pointing out, though, just to make a few people aware that they might have this habit. And as I said, it goes way beyond imamother or the frum world - I've seen this mistake everywhere.
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| myself wrote: | | gp2.0 wrote: | | elf123 wrote: | | gp2.0 wrote: | Those of us who are sticklers for proper grammar and spelling will continue to be so. Those of us who don't care enough about spelling and punctuation to double-check and add apostrophes in appropriate places...well, we don't care.
Now, a word from Ms. Etiquette Person: if someone just makes a couple little mistakes that don't really impact the quality of their writing, don't point it out to them personally. Just let it go. A thread like this isn't terrible, but I've seen posters correcting grammar in middle of threads. No one is perfect. Breathe deep, live and let live. |
FYI, I am a professional proofreader/editor. If I were to correct every mistake I see here (not to mention in newspapers, newsletter, magazines etc.) it would be never-ending. The mistakes here are endless, and I generally ignore them, or I wouldn't even be able to read most of the threads here. (In case I am coming across as "snobby" about it, I am totally not.) I am able to "tune out" most of these mistakes and it's all good. However, this defiantly/definitely thing really had me , which is why I pointed it out. And obviously I did not point it out to anyone personally. |
FWIW, I'm a professional writer/editor/proofreader too.
But I save the absolutely, triple-checked, more-perfect-than-perfect grammar and punctuation for official documents.
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Same here, I see we're quite a club! But as I said in my earlier post, I understand that English is not the first language for everyone on here. Whilst you're discussing pet peeves, don't you often wonder who's proof-reading all those magazines when I can barely read them without getting irritated? It's difficult to get a good read these days... |
I agree. I just can't turn off the automatic buzzer in my head. On the other hand...while you notice 3 or 4 typos every few pages, think of how many typos the editors DID fix. A lot. Some always slip through, especially when you're dealing with high volume and a tight schedule.
There's a kind of 'murphy's law' for novelists. The first time they open their newly-published book, whatever page they happen to land on will have a typo on it. The novel was edited by the writer numerous times, by the editor, by the copyeditor, etc. But a few typos will always slip through.
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 08 2012, 1:52 am Post subject: Re: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| milkshake wrote: | The European Commission has just announced an agreement whereby English will be the official language of the European Union rather than German, which was the other possibility.
As part of the negotiations, the British Government conceded that English spelling had some room for improvement and has accepted a 5- year phase-in plan that would
become known as "Euro-English".
In the first year, "s" will replace the soft "c".. Sertainly, this will make the sivil servants jump with joy. The hard "c" will be dropped in favour of "k". This should klear up konfusion, and keyboards kan have one less letter.
There will be growing publik enthusiasm in the sekond year when the troublesome "ph" will be replaced with "f".. This will make words like fotograf 20% shorter.
In the 3rd year, publik akseptanse of the new spelling kan be expekted to reach the stage where more komplikated changes are possible.
Governments will enkourage the removal of double letters which have always ben a deterent to akurate speling. Also, al wil agre that the horibl mes of the silent "e" in the languag is disgrasful and it should go away.
By the 4th yer people wil be reseptiv to steps such as replasing "th" with "z" and "w" with "v".
During ze fifz yer, ze unesesary "o" kan be dropd from vords kontaining "ou" and after ziz fifz yer, ve vil hav a reil sensibl riten styl.
Zer vil be no mor trubl or difikultis and evrivun vil find it ezi TU understand ech oza. Ze drem of a united urop vil finali kum tru.
Und efter ze fifz yer, ve vil al be speking German like zey vunted in ze forst plas. |
Thank you for posting this. I remembered getting this in an email a long time ago. I tried googling it to post it here, but could not find it. Now I can rest easy.
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| Posted: Sun, Jul 08 2012, 4:07 am Post subject: Re: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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| sarahd wrote: | | observer wrote: | | What I can't stand is when I see "I should of..." or "I could of..." AAAARGH!!! It's "should HAVE" or "could HAVE". |
Or could've and should've, which is how the mistake comes about.
| Quote: | | I also hate when people put an apostrophe before a plural s, as in ads that say "we have the best menorah's in town" or "more than a dozen salad's". |
Yes! Or "it's", when they mean the possessive, not "it is".
effect-affect
insure-ensure-assure are really not interchangeable. |
Oy. These are all like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I think the apostrophe-to-make-plural phenomenon qualifies as an epidemic.
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| DrMom wrote: |
Oy. These are all like nails on a chalkboard for me.
I think the apostrophe-to-make-plural phenomenon qualifies as an epidemic. |
And as such, requires some drastic action. Hm, wwdd? (What would Dogbert do?)
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Okay, here are two expressions I keep coming across that get on my nerves:
You need to toe the line, not tow it.
And you have to make do with what you have, not make due.
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| So far this thread [I]comprises[b] just about all of the red button ones.
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| shanie5 wrote: | | The one thats been bugging me is loose when they mean lose. Loose is something that is not tight. Lose is when you misplace something-as in lost. |
THANK YOU! I see this soooo often and it really bugs me! Also (and oh, so many times in jewish novels!) `insure` when the author clearly means `Ensure`grrr
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| simchat wrote: | | shanie5 wrote: | | The one thats been bugging me is loose when they mean lose. Loose is something that is not tight. Lose is when you misplace something-as in lost. |
THANK YOU! I see this soooo often and it really bugs me! Also (and oh, so many times in jewish novels!) `insure` when the author clearly means `Ensure`grrr |
Do you mean Ensure or ensure? If the former I'll drink to that
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Milkshake-thanks for the good laugh!
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| Posted: Thu, Jul 12 2012, 2:29 am Post subject: Re: re: And now, a word from Ms. Grammar Person |
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And you have to make do with what you have, not make due. |
Yes, every time we have this thread I bring that one up.
I don't think I can go through this again... but I agree with the OP about that particular thing, as I said.
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