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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 1:31 pm    Post subject: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
This is going to make me sound a little crazy, mainly because it's hard to express the question. I used to eat in Chinese restaurants and I often crave the taste of the food they make. The thing is, when they made a plainish stir-fry or even an egg roll, it always had this basic mild but tasty flavor to it that I'd like to reproduce but don't know how. It is not a strong easily identifiable flavor like soy sauce or sweet and sour sauce. It is something mild and subtle. Does anyone know I'm talking about and what it is?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 1:38 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
MSG?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 1:43 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Tova wrote:
MSG?


I guess it could be that, in which case, I should give up immediately. But I think it might have been a taste that was there even when people requested no msg.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 1:44 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Its absolutely msg.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Seraph wrote:
Its absolutely msg.


Thanks. I was hoping you would read this thread. I guess if you're sure it's MSG I'll try to put it out of my mind now.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:25 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Do you use Five Chinese Spice Powder when you cook?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:30 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Squishy wrote:
Do you use Five Chinese Spice Powder when you cook?


No. What's in that?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:46 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
ginger and sake give great mild flavor

as does soy sauce and toasted sesame oil for stronger asian flavors
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:47 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
I don't know if this could be it but someone my parents are friendly with who is a caterer, invited them to her house for a chinese evening and at the end she gave my mom the left overs to take home. The next night my mom heated them up for supper and the whole house smelt of a real chinese restaurant. The caterer said that she had used a good amount of ginger in the food... it was amazing!!!!
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:48 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
EvenI wrote:
Squishy wrote:
Do you use Five Chinese Spice Powder when you cook?


No. What's in that?

IIRC szechwan pepper, star anise, fennel seeds, cloves, cinnamon

I have it but don't use it
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:48 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
MSG. Yum. Be careful, some are allergic, some get shilshul, some get migraines.

For the record, Chinese people in China only use it in cheapo places.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:52 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Ruchel wrote:
MSG. Yum. Be careful, some are allergic, some get shilshul, some get migraines.

For the record, Chinese people in China only use it in cheapo places.


I have no intention of using msg. Have no fear!
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 2:54 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
If someone isnt sick from it, I totally would understand using it.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 3:01 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
I have used ginger with or without cloves before, with good effect and I might try the 5 spice mix some time. For the record, ginger and cloves is totally different from the subtle flavor I'm talking about. I usually use a combination of soy sauce and sesame oil, but again, that is also different and I have a bit of an aversion to that at the moment. Thank you all for your concerted efforts!
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
EvenI wrote:
I have used ginger with or without cloves before, with good effect and I might try the 5 spice mix some time. For the record, ginger and cloves is totally different from the subtle flavor I'm talking about. I usually use a combination of soy sauce and sesame oil, but again, that is also different and I have a bit of an aversion to that at the moment. Thank you all for your concerted efforts!
I agree. I don't really use the chinese 5 spice either.
Try some sake or sherry along with your ginger.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 6:01 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
I really like the 5 spice blend. I use it a lot when I cook.
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 6:24 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
EvenI wrote:
I have used ginger with or without cloves before, with good effect and I might try the 5 spice mix some time. For the record, ginger and cloves is totally different from the subtle flavor I'm talking about. I usually use a combination of soy sauce and sesame oil, but again, that is also different and I have a bit of an aversion to that at the moment. Thank you all for your concerted efforts!


Maybe it is the fennel or anise you are detecting. I cook direct from a Chinese Cookbook. I can replicate Chinese food pretty well.

The five spices are ground up together. They are not in equal portions so you can't just add them. I use a recipe to make mine. I think my recipe has 7 ingredients. One is white pepper and the other salt.

If you are not happy try the five spices. Do you things like ketchup when preparing Chinese food? What brand of soy sauce? Some of the ones in the supermarket just don't taste authentic to me. Where are you getting your recipes from?
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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 04 2012, 9:37 pm    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
It's definitely MSG. Sorry! But sometimes a little miso used in a sauce gives a kind of similar flavor.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 2:47 am    Post subject: Re: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Squishy wrote:
EvenI wrote:
I have used ginger with or without cloves before, with good effect and I might try the 5 spice mix some time. For the record, ginger and cloves is totally different from the subtle flavor I'm talking about. I usually use a combination of soy sauce and sesame oil, but again, that is also different and I have a bit of an aversion to that at the moment. Thank you all for your concerted efforts!


Maybe it is the fennel or anise you are detecting. I cook direct from a Chinese Cookbook. I can replicate Chinese food pretty well.

The five spices are ground up together. They are not in equal portions so you can't just add them. I use a recipe to make mine. I think my recipe has 7 ingredients. One is white pepper and the other salt.

If you are not happy try the five spices. Do you things like ketchup when preparing Chinese food? What brand of soy sauce? Some of the ones in the supermarket just don't taste authentic to me. Where are you getting your recipes from?


It isn't that I'm not happy or having a problem preparing anything. It's just that I was wondering if it's possible to produce a certain flavor. I certainly wouldn't expect ketchup or soy sauce to achieve it. I think it probably is msg but I might try the five spices anyway some time.

To answer the question, I use Wan Ja Shan Tamari soy sauce. I don't think I have ever used ketchup when preparing Chinese food.
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 05 2012, 8:38 am    Post subject: re: Magic Chinese Restaurant Ingredient?
 
Beef Lo mein,

Boil linguine noodles

In frying pan, stir fry pepper steak meat or any shredded steak, with softened green peppers, chopped scallions, mushroom carrot slices, and finally the main ingredient, SOY VAY. Add some canola oil if you like your noodles with a little texture. When meat is cooked through and veggies are softened, mix with noodles in tin tray and add to your preferred taste powdered beef boullion ( does have msg in it I think so you can omit if you want)

Eat right away or let it sit in your fridge so the noodles can marinate in the sauce overnight,

It really tastes like take out!


Also if you are stir frying chicken cutlets like for a Teriake recipe, add the marinade at the last stage of cooking when the meat is just about to turn all white. This allows the marinade to attach itself fimly to the chicken so you get that coated bite your looking for.
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