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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 12:49 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
If the problem is that you're too busy at the end of the year, 2 things: 1. Yes, if you sent something purim time that's fine, no need to be guilted into doing it again. 2. If you have more time in May than in June, so write the note in May and send it in June. Frankly even if you write AND send it in May the message will be the same and appreciated. The problem is that people either don't think of the teachers at all, or think of them as "they're paid for their service so what more do they need."
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 12:49 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
Barbara wrote:
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As Barbara wrote so eloquently I always have written a note and given a token gift. This yr the teacher did not like my dd and had all these snide/sly comments (for example in the purim party "class right dd costume ears don't look like a rabbit"). So I don't really feel like thanking her for making my dd cry and feel unliked.


Why do teachers do that? And what do we do as parents when it happens?

DS' English teacher did something at the end of this year deliberately intended to humiliate him. DS is the kind of kid who let it roll off him, but I'm fuming. Do I tell the school and make myself into more of the "problem parent" than I already am? Or just be grateful the year is over?


Yes, please tell the school! Even if the teacher is not fired hopefully there will be warnings and perhaps he or she will more careful with the way they speak to and treat students.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 12:57 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
As to what I do, we give gift cards or sometimes small gifts. (Our school is publicly funded so we do not pay fees.) About half of other parents give gifts as well, often a plant or chocolates. They have 2 teachers, secular and hebrew and one kid has a special needs teacher. We both think it is very important to express thanks to the people teaching our kids.

The most touching thing was when my son was writing his cards to his teacher. I wrote a template for him to copy. (thank you for teaching me, etc) He added his own little addition to his S.N teacher: I love you.

That really warmed my heart.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 4:03 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
morah wrote:
I wrote in the other thread that I'm not into the whole gift thing because it puts pressure on parents who may not have even $5 to spare (especially when there are a bunch of kids and that becomes $5 times the number of kids). But it should not be beyond your reach to express thanks in a another way- a note, or a personal thank-you. That line about "paid service" is just disgusting. I don't even know how to respond to that.


I agree 100% Morah.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
amother wrote:
I doubt public school teachers walk around offended that their students families didn't give a thank you note, so why yeshiva educators?

I doubt public school teachers walk around with HALF of the dedication, time, encouragement and wisdom that I give to my Yeshiva parents and students.
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PostPosted: Sun, Jul 01 2012, 11:58 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
I've seen some very dedicated public school teachers, I don't think it's fair to overgeneralize. They put up with a lot. And they definitely do anticipate at least some appreciation from some of the students/parents. The offerings might be tacky but it's the thought that counts, if you get zero thoughts after working with the same kids all day, all year, you feel bad.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 12:01 am    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
Teachers work very hard and like to get feedback. Once when my ds was in playgroup he came home singing the songs that they sang during circle time. I wrote the teacher a nice note about it the next day. It meant so much to her that when she met my mom once, she told her about it. Those little personal word of thanks come a long way!
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 12:55 am    Post subject: Re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
Optione wrote:
amother wrote:
I doubt public school teachers walk around offended that their students families didn't give a thank you note, so why yeshiva educators?

I doubt public school teachers walk around with HALF of the dedication, time, encouragement and wisdom that I give to my Yeshiva parents and students.


Wow that's insulting. Before I was frum I was a public school teacher. I spent hours and hours doing lesson plans, IEPs, and worrying about my students. I visited one student in the mental hospital every single weekend. Of course I never got or expected a thank you from his mother (who had been murdered), his father (in prison for the crime), or his grandmother (who had custody of him but "couldn't be bothered" visiting even though social services was willing to pick her up and drop her off).

Yes, most teachers dedicate themselves and do not do it for the paycheck. It's certainly not required to give a gift, but a simple thank you (even if it's verbally over the phone or when picking your child up) is much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 3:05 am    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
I am a mother that used to spend time writting a meaningful note and give money and I stopped and here is why.

The teachers never acknowledged the fact that I spent time writting the note and going down to the school to deliver the note plus give money. I used to give $100 to the better teachers to $75 to $50 being the least. I did not get any thank you's in return and now I stopped. It's money if I spend the time to write a note plus put in $100 and I always did cash so they don't have to feel bad cashing the check or going to the hassle to cash the check then if they don't want to call me up then at least next time you see me thank me or send me home a note. And no I don't call it a thank you when I give you an extra $100 for Chanuka besides chipping in the $14 from the class and the teacher writes on the Parsah sheet a generic thank you. I think for $100 I deserve more.

Now what I do is give only to the teachers that I really like for Chanuka and see if they thanked me or not. If they did they get more for Purim if not then I will give like only $36 and forget about an end of the year thank you card and money.

This year I gave $50 to the teachers for Purim plus and expensive mishloach manos and a week later was PTA and the teachers still did not even bother to thank me.

Am I wrong? But I am human and this is hard earned money and I used to give it bec. I do appreciate what a teacher does but to ignore the fact that I gave money I'll stop giving.

I also stopped bec. when I thought about it the only possible reason a teacher wouldn't thank me is bec. they feel like they deserve it and not that it's an extra nice thing to do so if you don't thank bec. you feel it's coming to you then you won't get it any more and maybe you'll realize hey I should have thanked the mother.

Another thing that bothers me is why can't the teacher call at the end of the year to let me know where my daughter is holding and let me know what I should work on in the summer and if she is so busy for that then send a note home. To me that would warrant a thank you note.

I would love to hear people's opinions in a respectful manner. But I also read this letter in the Yated and was so tempted to write back.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 3:08 am    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
Another thing I forgot to write was that I still give to my children's playgroup morahs Chanuka, Purim and end of the year thank you's. For some reason the playgroup morahs know how to thank more that the teachers in a school.

I also found that the more yeshivish the teacher the more they were less likely to thank. The heimishe's thank a lot faster. I felt like the yeshivish teachers felt that it was coming to them.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 1:24 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
Amother, that's sad. I guess if there's an unappreciation pandemic, the teachers aren't immune either Sad

About the end of the year, I think teachers would generally call only those parents whose kids have an issue that needs extra attention over the summer. For the rest, they get report cards sent home with fine grades so the parents can see the kids are doing fine, and a comment that says something like "Moishy did great work this term, enjoy your summer vacation!" If a parent wants more affirmation than that for an ordinary kid, then they can contact the teacher and ask for it, I think most teachers assume that if there's no issue the parent doesn't want or need a call home in addition to the report card.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 1:43 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
That's so interesting.

I once had a whole thread about whether to thank parents for their thank you cards or gifts and I was told over and over that you don't thank for a thank you. When they give it to you, you thank and if you see them afterward on the street etc you can add a thanks for the gift or card.

Now you're telling me otherwise?
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 1:58 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
I don't know if I would go out of my way to thank for a thank you card, but it would definitely be appropriate if you later happened to see or talk to the teacher (at PTA or other occasion) to mention that you got and appreciated the card. However, a $100 in the card is more than just a thanks, it's a gift of its own and warrants a thanks-for-the-gift. It's slightly awkward because you don't want to send it through the kid and then have other kids feeling bad that they didn't get a thanks to give to their parent, hence the generic note on the parsha sheet, but for an exceptionally generous gift the teacher could consider a phone call home.

But here we go again measuring what each person deserves. Sigh. It's like spontaneous appreciation is becoming a lost art.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 02 2012, 3:30 pm    Post subject: re: Teachers end of year expectations
 
I certainly don't expect thank yous from the teachers for the gifts I give. Maybe they mention it if I see them. But I wouldn't expect a thank you card or a note. And likewise I never sent notes or called parents who gave me gifts when I was a teacher.

Then again, I only give or got presents of values of well under $30 (for the generous ones).
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