SPINOFF on "tuition is killing us"

If you are sending your kid to a school with different values (whether it is public school or a different hashkafa school,) I think it is important to move them out at least by age 10 or 11, depending on the kid. the social issues just get too difficult at that point.

so what would you say for me? we don't fit any school hashkafically. I really have a hard time sending my son to a school that is more right-wing, I feel they overstep their boundaries in so many ways. they have the boys there for the majority of the day, and then they want them in school on sundays too. so I have approximately one hour a day with my son, but I have two other kids and can't spend the hour teaching him. he wants to play. the rest of the time at home is supper and bedtime routine. once he starts sunday school, his free time will be spent shuffling him to see various relatives who are upset that we can't visit every week. sunday is also the only day we have to do home repairs and maintenance. so there's shabbos and a few hours a week for me and my husband to counter-teach hashkafa. it's very hard to undo the work of a yeshiva when they have the time advantage over you. I would not send my kids to public school, but I can see the appeal. honestly, they have a much shorter day, and it would be easier to supplement the kids' education if there was time in the day to do it. I would actually like to send my kid to a more left-wing school, but there are various disagreements about that...

I'd really love to find one school of mixed hashkafa that respects the differences in families. sigh. I definitely see the problem with sending a child to a school with a different hashkafa, but there is no school in brooklyn that represents a middle of the road hashkafa, and I'm stuck.

Ideally, we would all live just next door to a (non noisy Wink

) school fitting just right.
In real, most of us don't, though BH many of us can find a suitable school in driving distance. But in smaller kehilot countries or simply OOT, the truth is many are happy if there is one Jewish school, fitting or not remotely fitting... unless they are of the haskafa of sending away, homeschooling or public schooling.

Social issues stink, and I acknowledge not everyone is cut to resist it. Then maybe even sending to dorm is better...
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can someone tell me why the MO schools are so much more expensive. I mean they have kodesh and then secular. That's basically the same thing as the more right wing schools. So let's say they have a few more English subjects than the others, so they pay a few more teachers, or they could get by on less teachers teaching more subjects, I don't know? For kodesh all types of schools have Rebbes to pay whether it's MO or whatever. I realize that the teachers in MO school may demand more pay, and be more skilled, have degrees etc.
A large part of it is probably the buildings, and extras, perks. Much of that is not really necessary but a luxury. I just don't understand the huge differences.

M.O schools charge what it really costs. Other schools can not get away with charging that amount since their parent body is not as wealthy and have larger families. Plus they pay their teachers less and have less choice, facilities etc.

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MO schools actually value their teachers. They are selective and they pay their teachers appropriately. They also value a real secular education and make it a priority to have the tools and facilities necessary to accomplish that.

I wish you could move to our community!
I live in Ottawa, Canada (2 hours from Montreal and 5 hours from Toronto)
the elementary school here is called Torah Academy, it has tuition at:
$8,700.00 for the first child
$8,500.00 for each additional child
(but it's not so hard to get scholarships - even if a parent is making
100k)

Our school has all types of kids,
mostly Orthodox kids but all types.
We have Lakewood kollel kids,
we have modern orthodox kids,
we have kids who have one parent frum and one parent not frum.
from kindergarten till grade 8 there is no school on Sunday.
boys and girls are mixed in the same classes only until grade 4/5.

We have lots of Orthodox shuls and there are lots of job opportunities here too.
We are a government town.
If anyone wants more information about our community I like it here a lot!
And we're always looking for new families,

We also have a 1 year maternity leave in Canada.
The health care and dental care is really good.
Free eye exams for kids every year.

The high school has Sunday school for boys but only in the mornings.
They end school around 5 p.m every day.
You can wear colored collared shirts.
The teachers are black hat but the students don't need to wear black hat.
Being out of town has a lot of advantages.
We have a 2 kosher bakeries, a kosher restaurant, and a large kosher section at the grocery store.
We also can get anything we want delivered from Montreal that has everything any other big city has.

Maybe there are towns similar to ours that may be more laid back, less stressful, and more financially possible for your family.
Good luck!

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Ha! My dream is to move to Canada. Seriously. But I don't think it's that easy for Americans to get a work permit... or am I wrong? I've been to Ottawa, it's beautiful. We LOVE snow. I was only there for two days, I want to go ice skating on the river!

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you can see from this website how long it would take to become a Canadian Citizen or how to work in Canada if you are not a citizen:

http://www.canadavisa.com/canada-immigration-usa-citizens.html

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Thank you. Seriously.

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