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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 4:56 pm    Post subject: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnant
 
We don't live in the same neighborhood. I found out she was expecting a few weeks ago, but not from her. Isn't it basic decency to tell your close friends and relatives?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:03 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
I understand your hurt, I really do - however, it is really not up to you!

I have a sister and sister-in-law who both had children after a gap of many many years, they did not tell any of the family when they were pregnant - I had a major shock when I found out, I cried tears of happiness and wished them Mazel Tov with all my heart.

I know, being left out of the loop - sucks!
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:09 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
Maybe she wasn't telling for a reason. Fear of ayin hara? Maybe there was a problem with the pregnancy? With my second, we didn't tell until I was about 23 weeks along because there were some issues and we were afraid we were going to lose her.

It could be as simple as she assumed someone else told you.

And there's this new thing I've heard where people aren't telling the whole nine months and trying to hide it either for "tznius" reasons or for "ayin hara" reasons.

I know of someone who had a baby recently and her own children didn't know.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:30 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
Op, I have the same story here.
I just learned that my SIL is in her 7th month. I don't think it's nice of her at all. But I don't let it bother me too much. May it be mine and yours, smallest problem!
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
ElTam wrote:
Maybe she wasn't telling for a reason. Fear of ayin hara? Maybe there was a problem with the pregnancy? With my second, we didn't tell until I was about 23 weeks along because there were some issues and we were afraid we were going to lose her.

It could be as simple as she assumed someone else told you.

And there's this new thing I've heard where people aren't telling the whole nine months and trying to hide it either for "tznius" reasons or for "ayin hara" reasons.

I know of someone who had a baby recently and her own children didn't know.


what's not tznius about saying your pregnant?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:39 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
I have a sil who lives in a different city, whom I did not see her entire pregnancy. I heard she was pregnant from my sister shortly before she had the baby, when my sister realized that everyone in the family knew but me (I'm the only one not local).

Was I a bit hurt? Yes. But this pregnancy came after a few years of infertility, and I really couldn't judge her for her choices.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:46 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
Yes, it is a decentcy to do it. Not everyone is decent and considerate. I make sure my family and friends know before I start showing.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 5:53 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
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Yes, it is a decentcy to do it. Not everyone is decent and considerate. I make sure my family and friends know before I start showing.


I'm sorry being in my Mid 30's and expecting my first child after several years of marriage we don't plan on telling anyone.. If someone see's us and finds out that way good for them. Otherwise we don't plan on telling..
I don't think it's common decency for me to tell people if that's not what I believe.

Yes the main reason is ayin harah, and I don't think it's inconsiderate of me not to want to talk about something that is my business. My pregnancy is high risk and my husband and I decided not to tell. For my siblings and friends that live far away they may not find out till after I give birth and I'm sorry but it's really too bad and I dont' feel bad for not telling. Yes I am bursting at the seams and want to tell everyone I know but our Rav guided us not to tell so we aren't

I think it's silly to be offended when it's a legitimate thing not telling for protection from ayin harah.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 6:04 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
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what's not tznius about saying your pregnant?


Because it means you had relations.

And relations, is not tznius.


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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 6:32 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
When I was having a hard time conceiving a healthy pregnancy, and then finally did, I shared it at least with my close friends/family who were davening so hard for me. Imagine those who actually feel guilty with you about their own kids or pregnancies b/c they think you're still struggling?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
amother wrote:
When I was having a hard time conceiving a healthy pregnancy, and then finally did, I shared it at least with my close friends/family who were davening so hard for me. Imagine those who actually feel guilty with you about their own kids or pregnancies b/c they think you're still struggling?


I have a lot of close friends and a lot of family... I would basically be telling everyone. I'm putting on maternity so whoever see's me will see. Is that not enough?
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 7:04 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
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Isn't it basic decency to tell your close friends and relatives?

No it isn't. People have a right to keep quiet as long as they want to for whichever reason they choose.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 7:19 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
gryp wrote:
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Isn't it basic decency to tell your close friends and relatives?

No it isn't. People have a right to keep quiet as long as they want to for whichever reason they choose.


Thank you Gryp!! I feel so much better. Being the amother that is expecting and not telling.... I mean it would be rude not to tell your parents everyone else... It's optional...
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 22 2012, 8:15 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
I do not have issues with your SIL not telling you.

However, were it me, I would be mad at my BROTHER (or husband's brother, however u may be SILs).
My sister-in-law and I are not close at all, but she is very close to my husband, aka her brother, and whenever there is news, either she tells my husband who tells me, or my husband tells her.

If it is your husband's brother's wife, I do expect DH's brother to tell him. That is only mentchlich.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 3:14 pm    Post subject: Re: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pre
 
Chocoholic wrote:
black sheep wrote:


what's not tznius about saying your pregnant?


Because it means you had relations.

And relations, is not tznius.


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I've seen this type of reference on a few threads here, and always hoped it was a joke -- but I'll respond in case it wasn't.

The tznius factor in not telling has nothing to do with relations. It comes from the concept that tznius means not everything about your own private life is everyone else's (or anyone else's) business. Privacy about your own brachos is a very basic part of tznius -- as well as is privacy about what is going on in your home. This dates back to Bnei Yisroel in the Midbar and the brachos of Bilam!! Everyone doesn't need to know about the prize your kid won or the raise your husband got or what you are cooking for supper or if you are expecting!!

I personally DO tell family, and pretty early on, and I tell my good friends, too. But I can certainly understand and respect the tznius aspect of not going out of your way to "spread the news", for those who feel that way.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 4:53 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
I agree with everyone who wrote that everyone has a right to keep the info quiet for whatever reason they choose BUT that does't seem to be the case here.

OP's SIL was not choosing to keep it quiet. OP heard the news from someone else who obviously knew so it wasn't a secret, everyone knew except the OP. I would be offended in that situation!
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 5:05 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
It never occurred to me to keep my PGs a secret, and when my friend did hold back from telling me, it felt like a slap in the face, like she thought I would give her an ayin hara. My gosh, what was she thinking...that I wouldn't be so happy for her??? What kind of person does she think I am? It was so painful to me. Certainly, there is no reason what so ever to hold back from family. Being 'just' a close friend, I really felt 'put in my place' that is for sure. Crying or Very sad
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 5:23 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
Did she keep it a secret from everyone or just from you Chani8? That makes a big difference IMO.

I had a friend keep a pregnancy a secret once but I wasn't upset because she kept it from everyone. No idea how she hid it! I didn't see her for a couple of months or so before she gave birth, I was busy, I guessed she was too, then one day I sent her an SMS about I shiur I thought she might like and she was like "Oh I just gave birth last night!"

I also received an email from my dad a couple of days ago asking when my cousin's baby is due. I didn't even know she was pregnant! Turns out everyone else in the family knew and the baby is due in 4 weeks so it isn't exactly new news. That hurt, the first situation didn't.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 5:33 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
Both of those situations would hurt me. What is with those women who hide it...they think everyone is out to get them. Let them wear a burka then, it they are so 'private'. It's just not nice or normal, if you ask me. It is something that we say in a hush hush and bli ayin hara and spit spit spit, but we still 'tell'.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 23 2012, 10:20 pm    Post subject: re: My SIL just had a baby and I didn't know she was pregnan
 
My first pregnancy was a full term stillbirth. When I was pregnant with my son I told parents and inlaws after 13 weeks and no one else. Everyone else found out when I put on maternity and on their own- I told no one. I edon't think it was mean or in considerate, I had a los before and wa nervous the whole time and didnt feel everyone had to know. (everyone found out eventually from seeing me) I am now pregnant- I just finished my first trimester. my kids will iyh be 18 months apart and so far I told noone. I will tell whoever I feel like telling, wheneverI feel like telling them.
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