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| Does anyone know what the origin or meaning or Hebrew equivalent of this name is? A bit of disagreement in the family regarding whether it would be Shlomo or Shmuel or something else entirely.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:56 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| Shlomo is usually paired with Zalman. I don't know what Zanvil I'd for, but it isn't shlomo afaik.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 9:59 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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It has been used as equivalent for both. It is Yiddish. Ask someone who has the Beider, maybe make a "help do you have a Beider" thread 
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:00 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| It's child abuse. That's what it is.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:01 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| It's a very cute name.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:04 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| Its paired with Shmuel. I think its more of a nickname for Shmuel than an actual given name.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:12 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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According to Beider, it's Shmuel.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:36 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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Yay - we were right!
What is Beider?
Proof of it being a Shmuel equivalent would be great.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:40 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| Interesting, because I know someone by the name of Shmuel Zanvel, as an official name given by the bris.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:42 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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| its another version of shmuel but from personal experience if you have to give it please give with another more common name coming from someone who has that name and hates it
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:46 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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This is Beider: http://www.amazon.com/Dictiona.....iven+Names
The book doesn't give an indication of HOW it morphed from Shmuel to Zanvel, all it says is that it demonstrates that at least the German form was borrowed by Jews in German-speaking countries.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:49 am Post subject: re: ZANVEL |
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My own personal idea.
Shmuel -> Samuel -> pronounced in German it sounds Zamuel -> shortened easily to Zanvl.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:52 am Post subject: Re: re: ZANVEL |
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| Ruchel wrote: | My own personal idea.
Shmuel -> Samuel -> pronounced in German it sounds Zamuel -> shortened easily to Zanvl. |
Pretty much.
BTW, Shmuel Zanvel is like Dov Bear, Tzvi Hirsch, Zev Wolf... Hebrew with the Yiddish.
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 10:59 am Post subject: Re: re: ZANVEL |
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| amother wrote: | | its another version of shmuel but from personal experience if you have to give it please give with another more common name coming from someone who has that name and hates it |
really? you have that name?
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| Posted: Fri, Jun 15 2012, 3:46 pm Post subject: Re: re: ZANVEL |
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| amother wrote: | | its another version of shmuel but from personal experience if you have to give it please give with another more common name coming from someone who has that name and hates it |
I scream **TROLL!!
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