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 Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 1:33 am Post subject: re: female name for Avraham |
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I had a student in Hebrew school once, her Hebrew name was Avirit, after her Jewish grandfather Abraham.
I thought it was ridiculOus but to each their own...
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 2:34 am Post subject: Re: re: female name for Avraham |
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| amother wrote: |
this question is in regard to someone saying that there can be an issue with naming a male for a female (vice versa)...we will have to ask our rav but just curious about this because recently I heard this was an issue yet know quite a few people that have been named for the opposite gender. |
Lots of people do lots of things. That doesn't make those things right or wrong or the best thing to do. Also, this obviously isn't a halachic issue - there are deeper issues for the good of the baby.
| Quote: | im also a lill confused, and not sure im understanding correctly, cuz it seemed like using sarah would have been ok but had I had been able to use sarah, would that have also been an issue since the reasoning behind using sarah, is for the family member avraham who is opposite gender. when people would ask us why we named sarah, we would have said, the baby was named for avraham etc.
is the issue with using the actual or shoresh of the male name itself, or just the idea of choosing a name that is based on naming after a male for a female? |
I think there are two separate issues. One is giving a male name to a female or vice versa. And the other is, like you say, having in mind/ saying to name a male after a female or vice versa because you are giving them something of their neshama, even if you call them Sarah.
| celestial wrote: | | There are different opinions about whether or not you can name a baby girl after a man. The reasoning is that it is a "yeridah" for the neshama (this doesn't hold true for naming a boy after a woman). |
There are other reasons too (never heard of the reason you give, but I hear you). I never heard there is more/less of a problem in one direction over the other.
| Quote: | | Thankfully, there are plenty of opinions that hold otherwise. Keep this in mind when choosing a Rav to ask this to, if it's something that bothers you (and don't choose a Rav that's going to give over spiritual misogyny if that's not how you normally hold with other things and it's not your worldview). |
This is such weird advice - sorry. I understand that you are trying to say that if someone doesn't understand a particular field they should bury their head in the sand and only get advice from someone who doesn't understand that field either, and pretend other information doesn't exist? Like if I am undecided whether to nurse my baby but don't really want to, I should make sure only to ask representatives from formula companies whether there is much difference between nursing and bottle feeding?
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 2:37 am Post subject: re: female name for Avraham |
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No: what I meant, was shivim panim l'Torah. I don't know upon what criteria a Rav would choose which source to go by for his psak, but in regards to an answer to this shayla, my advice would be (if you share my values) to ask a Rav who would go by the opinion that is less misogynist. Spiritual truths are not comparable to medical truths, they are very dependent on an individual's intuition and ultimately, become manifest in a Rav's psak.
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| Posted: Wed, Jun 13 2012, 7:29 am Post subject: Re: re: female name for Avraham |
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| enneamom wrote: | | I don't know how there can be a girl's name for Avraham...it means "Av hamon non jews", father of many nations, whic is intrinsically male. I can't think of anything comparable. Is there anthing with "Ima"? The only remote possibility I can think of is Chava, which IIRC means something like "mother to all". |
Chava comes from life.
Andrea/Andrée is a girl name... and still it comes from male name André, from Greek "man"!
Yosefa is extremely common in some edot.
I would also ask a rav if there isn't a clear family mesora.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: re: female name for Avraham |
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| Hashem loves me wrote: | | sky wrote: | I would also say Sarah.
- I once heard a father named his son Rivka not realizing he had a son - and he was told (I think by Rav Elyashiv) to call his son Yitzchak. - In Europe my grandmother's family named after the avos and imahos but baby sara died young so they wouldn't name their next son Avraham because the names were connected spiritually. |
I know it's not the point of the thread but, Huh? what a strange story.
How does such a story come to happen? There was a bris and he thought it was for a girl?
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To answer you and chani troy.
The way I heard the story over is that the baby was born right before shabbos and they had a bunch of children at home. The wife said to the husband run home to be with the other children. He ran out quickly and made it home just in time for shabbos. He thought they had a girl for whatever reason (I don't remember the details but he was probably not in the room for the birth and didn't hear "its a boy"). He had an aliya on shabbos and named the baby a name he and his wife chose when she was preg. After shabbos he went to visit his wife and she said now lets plan the bris....
Just imagining (this didn't happen here ) but I could imagine this happening years ago. Just think of R' Chaim Kametzky. He wasn't in the same town with his wife when she gave birth. He only heard the news on a neighbors phone and named the baby himself and she found the name a few days later. Imagine if the neighbor gave over the news incorrectly....
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 1:12 pm Post subject: re: female name for Avraham |
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| She found the name as in it wasn"t discussed beforehand?
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 2:35 pm Post subject: re: female name for Avraham |
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| I think one of the names of Avraham was Eitan. I have heard a girls name Eitana.
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| Posted: Thu, Jun 14 2012, 5:35 pm Post subject: Re: re: female name for Avraham |
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| Ruchel wrote: | | She found the name as in it wasn"t discussed beforehand? |
I was told this second hand (I didn't read the book yet) so I may have some details wrong. He would go the Steipler and ask for name recommendations and name their child. She sometimes didn't find out for a few days (no phones available). I think once he went to visit her after she had a baby and asked how she and Ruti where and she asked "Whose Ruti" and he said the baby.
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