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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 8:24 am    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
amother wrote:

Also, to those who say that wearing fitted spandexy clothing is not problematic, what if men dressed that way? What if it became stylish for frum men to wear fitted spandexy pants. Still not a problem?


I adressed this issue earlier in the thread, and the other poster assumed, men are not obligated in tzniyus! So here is your answer! Enjoy! It's free!

As I said, many men don't care if their shirts are tight around bellies or even open a bit, and that's just because they happen to be fat. Even more so, a woman whose belly serves such a holy purpose, should be excused - she is suffering enough just to carry this belly around! (there is no source from chazal for that. It's just MHO Very Happy )
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:36 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I don't think that gap t shirt is tight, it's fitting for sure but if you wear a decent skirt with it, I would think it's an ok look. Kind of what I used to wear when preggers. Now what I see more of an issue with are those who go in skin tight tops and bottoms (skirts) whether pregnant or not.
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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 2:54 pm    Post subject:
 
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is a symptom of a larger change in how our culture regards the role of women


I agree with this, but not with your superwomen theory.

A few centuries ago people had very rigid views about women. What they were allowed to do, what they weren't allowed to do, what they were allowed to wear.

Women being able to choose to wear whatever they want was a part of the feminist movement. Now society perceives women as individuals who are free to choose what to wear, among many other choices they now have that they didn't have a couple hundred years ago.

Personally I see nothing wrong with a skintight top if one isn't Jewish but I wouldn't wear it for tznius reasons, just like I'd never wear a skintight top.

I'd definitely wear something that hugs and drapes nicely in all the right places. There is no good reason to wear a 'tent.' Just like there's no good reason to stay home for 9 months straight or 'eat for two.'

I am always awed when I see a pregnant woman's belly. To me it is one of the most beautiful things on earth. I feel the same sense of joyful awe when looking out over the pacific ocean, or looking up at a night sky scattered with millions of stars.

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PostPosted: Fri, May 25 2012, 3:40 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I haven't read through all the pages that stacked up here since I last checked in, only a little here and there. And I just want to say I'm a little appalled at the way people think it's somehow offensive or gross or something if they can see your navel stick out or your baby move. I feel a little judged by those statements. I wore things that draped well but definitely not tight, yet you could often see my navel or baby movements, especially near the end. It was just impossible to avoid. I think especially if mom is skinny and the placenta is not in front so there's nothing to cushion baby's movements, how the heck are you supposed to block them, short of wearing the box your washing machine came in? As for the navel, I tried at first to tug my skirt panel over it for extra layers but it looked ugly and bulky, and frankly there's a limit to how many layers you can do when you're carrying a heavy baby through the summer. Maybe people need to stop being so critical and looking so closely at what other people wear. Nothing I wore would turn heads except for the very fact that I was enormous, which is a bit grabbing on its own. But I had no extra padding and my baby was extremely active, so yes if you were sitting across from me you'd probably see all kinds of interesting activity...
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PostPosted: Sun, May 27 2012, 2:32 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
I can really see a generational difference in some cases.

Religious posters who think that it is ok for any woman whatsoever to wear skintight clothing and don't think that it demeans her as a person, making her into a body.

Posters who use all sorts of slang euphamisms for pregnancy (preggers?!) when we are supposed to be discussing something that's almost sacred - creation of new life.

Posters who think it is fine that people see protruding parts of their body (navel) instead of being aware of it and trying to drape it as loosely and gently as possible for reasons of modesty.

In my generation, the middle aged women, I really can't remember coming across such attitudes. As I see it here so much among the younger posters I also wonder not only about age but background. What is the religious background of the posters who think that body hugging clothing is ok during pregnancy, who use slang terms for pregnancy (not gentle euphamisms such as "expecting") etc. Maybe that's also part of it.
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PostPosted: Sun, May 27 2012, 4:07 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
25 y old here
I try to be extra careful when pregnant. I just have to be more aware because I'm bigger all over and growing so things tend to become tighter.
It grosses me out when I see women with dead tight tops where I can see her bellybutton and the baby's movements.
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PostPosted: Sun, May 27 2012, 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
freidasima wrote:
In my generation, the middle aged women, I really can't remember coming across such attitudes. As I see it here so much among the younger posters I also wonder not only about age but background. What is the religious background of the posters who think that body hugging clothing is ok during pregnancy, who use slang terms for pregnancy (not gentle euphamisms such as "expecting") etc. Maybe that's also part of it.


I'm with you, FS... but maybe because my parents were born WWII-era, so I have some 'last generation' ideas about things..lol.

For me, when I'm pregnant, I tell my husband, I tell my doctor and then SHHHHHH!!!! I try not to make an ayin hara, so I don't dress to look pregnant.
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PostPosted: Mon, May 28 2012, 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
freidasima wrote:
I can really see a generational difference in some cases.

Religious posters who think that it is ok for any woman whatsoever to wear skintight clothing and don't think that it demeans her as a person, making her into a body.

Posters who use all sorts of slang euphamisms for pregnancy (preggers?!) when we are supposed to be discussing something that's almost sacred - creation of new life.

Posters who think it is fine that people see protruding parts of their body (navel) instead of being aware of it and trying to drape it as loosely and gently as possible for reasons of modesty.

In my generation, the middle aged women, I really can't remember coming across such attitudes. As I see it here so much among the younger posters I also wonder not only about age but background. What is the religious background of the posters who think that body hugging clothing is ok during pregnancy, who use slang terms for pregnancy (not gentle euphamisms such as "expecting") etc. Maybe that's also part of it.


I agree with generational thing. How many of the posters are actually in their 3rd trimester when answering this question? It is easy to say "I never do or did XYZ" when the last time you did it was years ago and all you have is a vague recollection
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PostPosted: Tue, May 29 2012, 5:48 pm    Post subject:
 
gp2.0 wrote:
There is no good reason to wear a 'tent.' Just like there's no good reason to stay home for 9 months straight or 'eat for two.'

I am always awed when I see a pregnant woman's belly. To me it is one of the most beautiful things on earth. I feel the same sense of joyful awe when looking out over the pacific ocean, or looking up at a night sky scattered with millions of stars.


that. I see nothing wrong with wearing a top snug around a baby bump. it's beautiful - not sxy. nothing wrong and no reason to hide it.

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PostPosted: Thu, Jun 07 2012, 7:43 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Here is the article where I quoted many of you (it's in this weeks Jewish Press). Thanks again for all your input!

Your Opinions on “Flaunting a Baby Bump”
In my previous article, I contemplated the extreme transition maternity fashions have undergone in the past decades. They went from ultra-bulky to super-tight in a relatively short time span. As seen from the feedback I received from Jewish Press readers and women from imamother.com (an online community of frum women) many of you would have vastly differing attitudes towards modern maternity styles. I collected the ages of the respondents; it seems that younger women are slightly more inclined towards more fitted maternity clothes while their older counterparts lean towards a concealing wardrobe. However, there was so much variation among ages that generational differences are only a small factor in determining womens’ opinion on the matter. Here are some snippets of the conversation, with the age of the respondent in brackets following each quote.
A large number of women preferred more fitted maternity styles. One popular reason for this preference is that close-fitting clothes are much more slimming than smock dresses and wide tops.
“I have no problem with wearing maternity clothes that show off my bump… I am happy to share my simcha with everyone. I find that loose maternity clothes look like sacks and make me look twice the size I am. I would much rather look distinctly pregnant than possibly fat.” {22}
“…I do enjoy "flaunting" a bit of a belly bump. I personally like the look of a small pencil skirt peeking out from beneath a wider top. Perhaps it's because I'm lucky enough to usually gain most of my weight in my belly, but I actually find that having a rounded belly makes me look thinner overall. {28}
“I am all for a woman showing her tummy while pregnant…I remember wearing those stupid blown-up tops. I looked ridiculous! My point, when you got it swing it, baby!” {76}

“I am very slim and carry my pregnancies like huge basketballs in front with a ginormous belly button sticking out by my 4th month… My philosophy is that this is how Hashem made me, anyone who has a problem with my hugely pregnant body and giant belly button monstrosity can take it up with Him.” {31}
But just as many women professed their distaste for tight maternity clothes. Many felt showing off a baby bump is immodest, not only for technical tznius reasons but also because pregnancy is a blessing and should not be flaunted.

“I believe that tight maternity wear is not tznius. If I am careful not to wear tight clothing when not pregnant, why would I wear it when pregnant? Tznius applies at all times.” {30’s}
“Women should wear looser style maternity. You are not hiding the fact that you are pregnant, but you are keeping the exact contours of your body private. I read somewhere that especially while pregnant and housing a precious, tahor neshama women should be extra careful with tznius because of the kadosh job their body is doing.” {23}

“I think women are crazy to wear anything that is designed to show the shape of their belly or flaunt it in any way. Would you invite the ayin hora to your house for tea?” {36}
“When I see real women trying to pull off the "I'm proud of my bump" look, I want to pull my car over and offer them a ride to the trailer park. On second thought, most trailer parks these days are filled with much classier people. A pregnant woman should not have to mimic her non-pregnant state in order to look good or feel good about herself. So what if you "feel" fat? If you can't put your own vanity on the back burner for a few months, you've got a lot more to worry about in the future than maternity clothes!” {51}
This topic is a contentious one, as are all debates about tznius. One particular comment that stood out was one of moderation; “Pregnancy is such a personal experience - amazing for some, awkward and uncomfortable for others - everyone should wear what works for them!” {34} In other words, being sensitive and withholding judgment of others seems to be the best route.
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PostPosted: Fri, Jun 08 2012, 7:04 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
FLAUNTING anything, be it your baby bump, your six-carat diamond, fluency in twelve languages or perfect pitch, is inappropriate. JMHO, but what do you think "hatznea lechet" is all about?
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 09 2012, 5:30 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
zaq wrote:
FLAUNTING anything, be it your baby bump, your six-carat diamond, fluency in twelve languages or perfect pitch, is inappropriate. JMHO, but what do you think "hatznea lechet" is all about?
please translate.
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PostPosted: Sat, Jun 09 2012, 5:34 pm    Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
amother wrote:
zaq wrote:
FLAUNTING anything, be it your baby bump, your six-carat diamond, fluency in twelve languages or perfect pitch, is inappropriate. JMHO, but what do you think "hatznea lechet" is all about?
please translate.


google says " to walk humbly" but I think it isnt that exactly, modestly would be a better word, I think.

its a pasuk actually to hatznea lechet with Hashem

I hope someone can transalate it better than I can
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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 20 2012, 4:29 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Many of today's clothing styles sold in frum stores even, including maternity, are not tzniusdig according to the Halachos I learned. Tzniusdig is not calling attention to oneself, whether in behavior or dress. Wearing skin top, clinging clothing was something I always was under the impression of being problematic.

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PostPosted: Wed, Jun 20 2012, 5:40 pm    Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to?
 
Honestly if people weren't so rude all the time maybe it would be different. As it is, I'm tired of being approached multiple times a day to be told how big I am. At least with a slightly more fitted top I look like a pregnant person and not a house.
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