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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:27 am Post subject: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Was on Good Morning America.
| Quote: | A New Jersey woman says she was fired from her job after her manager told her to "tape her breasts" down, and now has filed suit against the company claiming religious and s-xual discrimination.
Former data entry worker Lauren Odes said that after two days with Native Intimates, a midtown Manhattan wholesale lingerie company, a supervisor told her the store owners were not happy with her outfit, suggesting it was too "distracting."
"When I first started working there, I asked what the dress code was, and I was just told to look around and see what everyone else was wearing," Odes said in a press conference Monday. "So I did. The dress was very casual athletic wear to business attire."
Odes said the company owners are Orthodox Jews who were offended by her attire.
At a news conference announcing the suit, she said that at first she compromised, saying she'd wear a gray T-shirt and black jeggings with rain boots to work, but that wasn't enough.
"When my supervisors suggested that I tape down my breasts, I asked 'Are you kidding me?'" Odes said. "The supervisor said, 'Just cover up a little more.'"
The female supervisor then walked over to a closet, pulled out a bright red bathrobe decorated with pictures of guitars, and told Odes to put it on, she said.
"She told me to sit at my desk and wear it all day. I felt completely humiliated," Odes said. "She put the bathrobe on me and tied the belt and I returned to my desk wearing it."
Her supervisor then gave her the option of to go out and buy a sweater that "went to her ankles" instead of wearing the bathrobe, she said. After being ridiculed and made fun of by co-workers, Odes said, she obliged.
"I sat in the bathroom for a while crying. I'd prefer to go out and buy a sweater rather than sit there in the bathrobe feeling humiliated," Odes said.
But while she was out shopping for the sweater, the 29-year-old got a phone call saying she'd been terminated, she said.
Now, attorney Gloria Allred has filed suit against Native Intimates with the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission.
"The treatment was discriminatory, profoundly humiliating and unlawful," Allred said.
This isn't the first time Allred has represented a client for allegedly being fired for what she was wearing.
Two years ago, she represented Debrahlee Lorenzana, a Queens, N.Y., woman who sued former bosses Citibank for banning her "s*xy outfits and heels." Citibank ended up settling with Lorenzana.
Odes, who said she is also Jewish, said no employer has the right to impose their religious beliefs on employees.
"I do not feel an employer has the right to impose their religious beliefs on me when I'm working in a business that's not a synagogue, but sells things with hearts on the female genitals and boy shorts for women that say hot in the buttocks area," she said. |
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:32 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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And you said she was working where ???? Quite ironic.
I do find her allegations a little far fetched and a lot exaggerated.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:35 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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WOW. I had heard about this case on the radio yesterday and had a funny feeling it was a Jewish business - but whoa CMON!!! it's a lingerie wholesaler??? and they couldnt go about this in a more tactful way??? I wonder if this woman is exaggerating or embellishing; I certainly hope so. She couldve been told in a nice way, it didnt have to be in such a degrading way. I'm upset about this. Like we need more negative media exposure??? _________________ http://www.autism-parenting.com
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:53 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I do think a business is completely within their rights to tell people how to dress IF it's related to doing the job properly (and that may include telling women not to dress too s-xy if it presents a face the company does not want to present). That being said, if the statements she claimed were made are actually true, that is wrong, not to mention that any business owner in 2012 ought to know that those kinds of things are a s-xual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen.
BTW, does anyone else find it funny that all these downtown lingerie shops are owned by chassidishe men?
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:57 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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On the comments on most news sites they are claiming that she is making this up or at the least exaggerating. I wonder.
At least her employer was a woman, not a man.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 9:58 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| morah wrote: | I do think a business is completely within their rights to tell people how to dress IF it's related to doing the job properly (and that may include telling women not to dress too s-xy if it presents a face the company does not want to present). That being said, if the statements she claimed were made are actually true, that is wrong, not to mention that any business owner in 2012 ought to know that those kinds of things are a s-xual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen.
BTW, does anyone else find it funny that all these downtown lingerie shops are owned by chassidishe men? |
Why are we assuming the owner is Chassidish?
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 10:01 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Chloe wrote: | | morah wrote: | I do think a business is completely within their rights to tell people how to dress IF it's related to doing the job properly (and that may include telling women not to dress too s-xy if it presents a face the company does not want to present). That being said, if the statements she claimed were made are actually true, that is wrong, not to mention that any business owner in 2012 ought to know that those kinds of things are a s-xual harassment lawsuit waiting to happen.
BTW, does anyone else find it funny that all these downtown lingerie shops are owned by chassidishe men? |
Why are we assuming the owner is Chassidish? |
I don't know about this particular one, but it IS very common for these "mom and pop" lingerie shops to be owned by chassidim. And I always found it kinda funny, but I still shop in these places, because they offer high quality, good service, and it's giving a Jew parnassah.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 10:32 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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The ironic thing is that she's Jewish too!
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 12:20 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Can this be true? Employers telling her to "TAPE" her breasts? Did they think they could get away with that? How do they run a busuness if theyre slow in picturing the outcome of their behavior (if its true)?
She says she has a tape.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 12:33 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I'm sure the robe part is true and can probably be corroborated. I'm also sure the rest of it is made up other than telling her to cover up more. I certainly do think an employer can ask an employee to dress appropriately. I used to shop at a store where the cashier wore tops that were so low, they were almost at her nipples. So of course I complained to the owner, I did not want to see that. The next week she was gone. So if an owner can lose business ( I would have stopped shopping there if that woman had continued working there in that condition) I'm sure it's within his rights to fire someone like that. In a manufacturing plant he may have co-workers complaining who would quit because of her.
Now in my library is a Jewish girl that checks out your books who has the biggest pair ever and she wears extremely low cut tops. I'm not sure what you do in such a situation since it's a federal building I believe (or is it state?) However, in the past few weeks she seems to be dressing a little more modestly, so I wonder. There are tons and tons of frum people there every day, more than non-frum or non-Jewish actually. _________________ Let your fellow's honor be as dear to you as your own and do not anger easily (Pirkei Avos/t)
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 12:41 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| If this woman considers leggings and a t-shirt to be a "compromise," I'd be interested to know what she was wearing before the supervisor spoke to her!
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 1:20 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Mama Bear wrote: | | WOW. I had heard about this case on the radio yesterday and had a funny feeling it was a Jewish business - but whoa CMON!!! it's a lingerie wholesaler??? and they couldnt go about this in a more tactful way??? I wonder if this woman is exaggerating or embellishing; I certainly hope so. She couldve been told in a nice way, it didnt have to be in such a degrading way. I'm upset about this. Like we need more negative media exposure??? |
I agree with the highlighted portions. I saw a clip and she was almost crying. It wasn't the way she was dressed, it was her supervisor's comments on her breast size. She almost teared up when she described the provocative things they sold and yet had the hypocrisy to tell her she was too "hot."
I believe her and it is so sad. We need to be a light unto the nations in how we deal with people! The spotlight is on us nowadays. If she was too attractive, she should not have been hired in the first place. Perhaps if they felt she was too tempting to have around, they could have found another reason to fire her or found her another position without going into details. My dad (secular) while he worked for a politician, didn't hire a certain woman because she was too attractive and didn't want any giggles or rumors...that might sound zexist, but it is better than firing the woman after the fact.
Poor woman...we need to treat everyone with dignity and respect! We have enough problems!
(she said she followed the dress guidelines...no short sleeves etc. but the supervisor made it clear it was her figure..not something she can help) _________________ Say, Think or Do One Thing Now to Bring Moshiach!
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 2:27 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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They missed an opportunity for ahavas yisroel. Very sad. And now look at the chilul H.
I had a non-jewish college teacher teach me about dressing with self-respect. I changed in a matter of a few days. I'll never forget her kindness.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 2:39 pm Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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Honestly? Seems fishy to me. Here are some quotes from a different article I read:
| Quote: | | Odes said that on successive days during her week-long employment in late April she was warned that her attire was too alluring, that her breasts should be taped down to make them look smaller, and that she was asked to wear a red bathrobe to cover one outfit. |
| Quote: | | Odes said she felt her wardrobe was appropriate for a business that sells “thongs with hearts placed in the female genital area and boy shorts for women that say ‘hot’ in the buttocks area.” |
I'm not saying it was handled correctly, but it sounds to me that she HAD been warned already about the dress code, and that working a week is still considered probationary -- my guess is she got fired for some other reason in addition to failing to comply with the company dress code and since she can't claim unemployment, she's pulling the "I was too hot" card. She said her attire was "appropriate for a business that sells thongs...", but that means pretty much any outfit a step above lingerie would be fair game.
And, she's being represented by the same lawyer that represented that bimbo who also claimed she was fired for being "too hot"? Please.
Again, I do think there was some inappropriate workplace behavior but this woman is not completely innocent, in my opinion.
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Posted: Tue, May 22 2012, 10:48 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| Mevater wrote: | | She says she has a tape. |
How did she know ahead of time to tape the incident? Sounds a bit like a set-up to me. Not that the owners are completely blameless, either, but one can't help but wonder...
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:08 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I think it is irrelevant what they are selling. There is a time and place for lingerie, either under your clothes or in your bedroom. Not in the workplace.
But yes, they mishandled the whole thing really badly. And so did she. She thought leggings and a tshirt would be fine???? I'm sure she knew quite well they would not be.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:08 am Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| groisamomma wrote: | | Mevater wrote: | | She says she has a tape. |
How did she know ahead of time to tape the incident? Sounds a bit like a set-up to me. Not that the owners are completely blameless, either, but one can't help but wonder... |
its very easy to press the record button on your phone.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 6:18 am Post subject: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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I just saw the youtube on this woman. She is gorgeous. Not like the sleezy slob that people were portraying her as. She looks upperclass hot model type.
Sounds like a case of jealousy, cloaked in the guise of self-righteous tznius, to me.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| chani8 wrote: | I just saw the youtube on this woman. She is gorgeous. Not like the sleezy slob that people were portraying her as. She looks upperclass hot model type.
Sounds like a case of jealousy, cloaked in the guise of self-righteous tznius, to me. |
I'm not sure what exactly happened -- all we hear is her side.
I will strongly disagree with chani's assessment of this woman's looks:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jersey-woman-fired-busty/story?id=16400674
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 12:22 pm Post subject: Re: re: Fired By Her Jewish Boss For Dressing Inappropriate |
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| DrMom wrote: | | chani8 wrote: | I just saw the youtube on this woman. She is gorgeous. Not like the sleezy slob that people were portraying her as. She looks upperclass hot model type.
Sounds like a case of jealousy, cloaked in the guise of self-righteous tznius, to me. |
I'm not sure what exactly happened -- all we hear is her side.
I will strongly disagree with chani's assessment of this woman's looks:
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/jersey-woman-fired-busty/story?id=16400674 |
Yup- dont know where chani got that from.
This lady looks pretty sleezy to me from the photos I've seen yahoo and abc news. _________________
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