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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:44 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| mizle10 wrote: | For those of you who dress really tight, do you really think people want to see your belly button? It gets me nervous every time.
And you don't need to dress in spandex for the world to "share in your simcha". They'll know your pregnant even if your clothing is a little looser. |
You know what? Who cares about what other people want to see? There are plenty of ugly and unkempt people in the street, and they can't do anything about their situation, just as a pregnant woman does. I go to shul - do I want to see some men's never-ever shaved goaties, or their bellies falling out of belts? DO I have a choice?
Well, when it becomes untzniyus for fat men to wear tight fitting (and often unbuttoned) shirts, then it will become untzniyus for pregnant women to flaunt their bellies.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 5:52 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| mizle10 wrote: | For those of you who dress really tight, do you really think people want to see your belly button? It gets me nervous every time.
And you don't need to dress in spandex for the world to "share in your simcha". They'll know your pregnant even if your clothing is a little looser. |
We also don't particularly care to see which way your baby is positioned.....
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 6:08 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| imaima wrote: | | mizle10 wrote: | For those of you who dress really tight, do you really think people want to see your belly button? It gets me nervous every time.
And you don't need to dress in spandex for the world to "share in your simcha". They'll know your pregnant even if your clothing is a little looser. |
You know what? Who cares about what other people want to see? There are plenty of ugly and unkempt people in the street, and they can't do anything about their situation, just as a pregnant woman does. I go to shul - do I want to see some men's never-ever shaved goaties, or their bellies falling out of belts? DO I have a choice?
Well, when it becomes untzniyus for fat men to wear tight fitting (and often unbuttoned) shirts, then it will become untzniyus for pregnant women to flaunt their bellies. |
Really? They can't do anything about it? strange cause the majority of pregnant women I've seen found a way to not have their belly buttons popping through their clothes. _________________ Smile there, aint you glad your living:)
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 6:08 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| Oh, and men don't have to be tznius. We do.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 6:29 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| The shape of a belly button isn't tznius?
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 7:26 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| Mommeeeeeeee! wrote: | | If you are of the persuasion that dressing in fitted, body-hugging clothes is generally immodest, then dressing the bump is no different, and vice versa. Pregnancy shouldn't change the way tznius is interpreted. | '
I'm 34; my youngest is 10, so there was nothing but tents available in my maternity days.
I agree with Mommeeeee, however, most women who do not wear very tight clothing will wear a dress with a tight belt. Or a shirt tucked into a skirt that shows off the waistline. That's where things become murky when a women is pregnant - the bump is in the place where she used to wear tight clothing over her waist, and it was totally tznius and appropriate.
And I disagree with the sociological theory about how society treats pregnant women affecting maternity fashion. Fashion has gotten tighter in general. Society does not treat pregnant women of 2012 differently than they treated pregnant women of 2002 when bump-flaunting maternity clothing did not yet exist in mainstream maternity shops. _________________ Visit HelpEllen.com whenever you shop at Amazon.com!
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 7:52 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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I am in my early 30's pregnant with my 5th, bli ayin harah.
I am pretty careful when not pregnant not to wear tight clothing, and that doesn't change when I'm pregnant. It's not that I want to wear a "tent", but I do make sure that the tops I wear hang a bit loose around my belly. I am not "hiding" my bump, but I don't wear clothing that "hugs" my body pregnant or not.
My real problem, however, with tight fitting maternity wear is that many if not most of the outfits that "show off" your bump are also fitted above your bump, if you get my drift. So I am actually more concerned that tighter fitting maternity tops are accentuating other curves besides my baby bump, which I think almost everyone would agree involves issues of tznius. I know this isn't directly the question of this thread, but I think in actuality the two are very linked, and many women who would never wear clothing that is tight fitting around their chest when not pregnant somehow feel that it's fine when they are pregnant, as part of the pregnancy figure.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:14 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| curlgirl wrote: | | The shape of a belly button isn't tznius? |
Sorry, that's not what I meant, I wasn't even talking about if you should wear tight clothes or not, I was just saying how unappealing it is to see a belly button sticking out. There are ways to hide it. I just think it's really ugly.
And then I was just commenting on imaimas post how men aren't considered untznius with their bellys hanging over their pants.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:28 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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My belly button has never popped and this is my 6th pregnancy. Just wanted you to know lest you think I'm being more tsnius than I am. I'm not. It just doesn't pop. _________________ I'm not the popular Mama Bear. I'm "the other one."
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:30 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| you got lucky mamabear!
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:53 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| mizle10 wrote: | | Oh, and men don't have to be tznius. We do. |
Really? You must be practicing a different religion than me.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 8:59 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| MamaBear wrote: | | My belly button has never popped and this is my 6th pregnancy. Just wanted you to know lest you think I'm being more tsnius than I am. I'm not. It just doesn't pop. |
Mine neither. How can it pop if it's an innie?
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 9:22 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| MamaBear wrote: | | My belly button has never popped and this is my 6th pregnancy. Just wanted you to know lest you think I'm being more tsnius than I am. I'm not. It just doesn't pop. |
I wasn't talking about tznius!!!! I just think it's really ugly.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 9:29 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| mizle10 wrote: | | MamaBear wrote: | | My belly button has never popped and this is my 6th pregnancy. Just wanted you to know lest you think I'm being more tsnius than I am. I'm not. It just doesn't pop. |
I wasn't talking about tznius!!!! I just think it's really ugly. |
Which brings us back to the question - since when is it forbidden to be ugly?
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 9:50 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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Whether a popped belly button is unattractive is subjective. I would never walk around with unpainted toenails but many women do. I think it looks ugly and unkempt.
There are clearly different styles of frum attire and that usually doesn't change during pregnancy. I don't wear baggy cardigans and calf length aline skirts with tights ever, pregnant or not. And when I wear a fitted (not tight) maternity shirt I am not flaunting anything. I'm happy to be pregnant but I hate my figure when pregnant; I feel lumpy. I'll take my normally flat tummy any day - especially in the middle of the night when I can't get comfortable!
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 9:55 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| I am 21, on my second pregnancy, BH, and I am soo careful how I dress in pregnancy. I might also have self concious issues, but I hate that tight look- uchh. When I am not pregnant and have my figure, I am also careful not to dress like that. And I am no "frumie" either, just a regular frum girl. I think its important to be tsnius always, I guess women just find it harder when pregnant, bec their clothes dont fit, they feel fat, etc. We just have to do the best we can so we feel good about ourselves I guess.
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| amother wrote: | | I am 21, on my second pregnancy, BH, and I am soo careful how I dress in pregnancy. I might also have self concious issues, but I hate that tight look- uchh. When I am not pregnant and have my figure, I am also careful not to dress like that. And I am no "frumie" either, just a regular frum girl. I think its important to be tsnius always, I guess women just find it harder when pregnant, bec their clothes dont fit, they feel fat, etc. We just have to do the best we can so we feel good about ourselves I guess. |
Amazing post. In today's times, you are not "just a regular frum girl". You are a tzadekes! We live in times where the yetzer hara is so strong, and we get used to seeing things getting tighter and tighter, until we lose our perspective of what is right and wrong, we are blinded by the glitz of society! Glad to see there is a 21 year old on this site with maturity beyond her years. Women like you are the ones that are going to bring the geula sheleima, bimheyra beyameinu! Thank you!
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:01 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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Re: belly buttons
It isn't a good idea for body parts which we typically keep covered to show through your clothing. I guess that's related to tzniut. I don't really want to know what the details of your body look like. Yes, pregnancy-related body changes are normal and beautiful (in some ways) and all that, but your body is private and not my business. Your rounded figure doesn't bother me; there's no need to disguise the "bump" (I don't think most of us could if we tried), but please don't show me your belly button. And I don't want to see your moles or underwear or cellulite through your clothing either.
This isn't necessarily related to modern stretchy clothing. Pregnant women's navels were sometimes unexpectedly visible through their loose tent-like clothing when I was pregnant in the 1990's. This reminds me of the visible panty-line thread of a few months ago. Some fabrics, even thicker ones, show every little ripple, while others are more forgiving.
To be fair, the belly-button phenomenon can take some women by surprise well after purchasing maternity clothing. At that point it might be inconvenient and irrationally expensive to replace your wardrobe for things you might wear for two months.
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:06 am Post subject: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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There was no way in the world I would have been able to hide my popping belly. People thought I was due when I was only 6 months
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Posted: Wed, May 23 2012, 10:14 am Post subject: Re: re: The Baby Bump - to flaunt or not to? |
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| Mommeeeeeeee! wrote: | | If you are of the persuasion that dressing in fitted, body-hugging clothes is generally immodest, then dressing the bump is no different, and vice versa. Pregnancy shouldn't change the way tznius is interpreted. |
This.
I will add that I hate the fact that I can't find clothes that actually fit the bill here! So many of them either show off my (now larger) top, are elasticized on the bottom to show off the bump, or just fit "strangely" in some way.
I don't wear tents. I wear normal clothes that are larger to fit my stomach. You can tell I'm pregnant -- I'm not hiding my stomach any more than I hide anything else. I mean hey, you can tell I have breasts just like you can tell I have a bump (at least after the first few months), but that doesn't mean I have to "flaunt" either one.
I'm under 30.
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