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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 12:54 am Post subject: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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My 3 yr old dd is starting in an official gan in September, iy"H. It is a huge step up from what she has been used to; WAY more kids, official school setting, etc. In general, she is the type of kid who has a hard time with change. My husband will be be taking her in the mornings and she will be coming back on a car service (another huge change). I am really worried about her, but there is nothing I can do right now to change the situation.
My problem is like this: I run a gan from my own home and I will be starting the same day that she does. From what I understand, it's not "accepted" for the fathers to stay with the girls in the gan for a little bit, since it will be all mothers, etc. I am really torn - on the one hand, I really feel that I need to be there for my daughter and take her on her first day. But on the other hand, I need to be in my own gan.
Is there anyone else who has been in this situation before? Is there any way to work this out? The only thing I can think of is to possible start my own gan a 1/2 hr later so that I can take her in the morning and spend a few minutes with her there. But I don't even know if I can officially do that... _________________ For every minute of anger, you lose sixty seconds of happiness.
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 1:38 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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I had this year one starting kitah aleph, and one starting gan. Luckily kitah aleph started a few days before Sept. 1st. Gan and mishpachton both started Sept. 1st, but first day of mishpachton for new kids is officially only 8am to 10am, so I took ds right at 7:30 and stayed with him a bit. I think if you are a private gan you can get away with opening at 8 or 8:30 one time, it's for a good reason. The other thing you could do if you want is open one day after gan does, and give back the day somewhere else (work isru chag, a day a chanukah, etc) that would normally be off. _________________ Lucky Mom to 5
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 2:22 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| RachelEve14 wrote: | | I had this year one starting kitah aleph, and one starting gan. Luckily kitah aleph started a few days before Sept. 1st. Gan and mishpachton both started Sept. 1st, but first day of mishpachton for new kids is officially only 8am to 10am, so I took ds right at 7:30 and stayed with him a bit. I think if you are a private gan you can get away with opening at 8 or 8:30 one time, it's for a good reason. The other thing you could do if you want is open one day after gan does, and give back the day somewhere else (work isru chag, a day a chanukah, etc) that would normally be off. |
I think that is what I will aim for. Plus, if people are really stuck, I guess I can have a sub come for a 1/2 hr until I come back, although that would so not be ideal for a kid's first day in a new gan...
Regarding giving back the day...we keep two days of yom tov, so isru chag is still yom tov for me lol! Maybe Chanuka would work though...
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:27 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| Shopmiami49 wrote: | | RachelEve14 wrote: | | I had this year one starting kitah aleph, and one starting gan. Luckily kitah aleph started a few days before Sept. 1st. Gan and mishpachton both started Sept. 1st, but first day of mishpachton for new kids is officially only 8am to 10am, so I took ds right at 7:30 and stayed with him a bit. I think if you are a private gan you can get away with opening at 8 or 8:30 one time, it's for a good reason. The other thing you could do if you want is open one day after gan does, and give back the day somewhere else (work isru chag, a day a chanukah, etc) that would normally be off. |
I think that is what I will aim for. Plus, if people are really stuck, I guess I can have a sub come for a 1/2 hr until I come back, although that would so not be ideal for a kid's first day in a new gan...
Regarding giving back the day...we keep two days of yom tov, so isru chag is still yom tov for me lol! Maybe Chanuka would work though... |
I would just switch a day for a day. I would work the first day of Chanukah (or the last, not sure how the days of the week work out this year), and close for the first day of gan so you can bring your dd in peace.
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:32 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| If you were a working mother, how would you feel about that?
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:37 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| I'm a working mom and though I would try to understand you (I also took off when my dd started gan) I would be upset. I think finding a substitute for the first morning is a much better idea. It shows that you are commited and you understand that mothers depend on you.
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:42 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| cinnamon wrote: | | I'm a working mom and though I would try to understand you (I also took off when my dd started gan) I would be upset. I think finding a substitute for the first morning is a much better idea. It shows that you are commited and you understand that mothers depend on you. |
See I think a sub on the first morning is a really bad idea. The kids don't know you (I assume), so you are putting them in a new place, with a new person, who won't even be the person there mostly.
Working mothers need every day, and they need more than the gan schedule. If someone is already picking a person who works the gan schedule, she is going to be short a lot of hours unless she is a teacher / gannenet herself. Working parents work on chanukah, so I would assume subbing a day for a day would work just as well. Also, if everyone starts new on the same date and you have more than one small child, you are trying to transition a few at one time. It might be easier to start child A on the first day of gan, and child B on the second day. If you tell them now they have plenty of time to work out that one morning.
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:52 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| RachelEve14 wrote: | | cinnamon wrote: | | I'm a working mom and though I would try to understand you (I also took off when my dd started gan) I would be upset. I think finding a substitute for the first morning is a much better idea. It shows that you are commited and you understand that mothers depend on you. |
See I think a sub on the first morning is a really bad idea. The kids don't know you (I assume), so you are putting them in a new place, with a new person, who won't even be the person there mostly.
Working mothers need every day, and they need more than the gan schedule. If someone is already picking a person who works the gan schedule, she is going to be short a lot of hours unless she is a teacher / gannenet herself. Working parents work on chanukah, so I would assume subbing a day for a day would work just as well. Also, if everyone starts new on the same date and you have more than one small child, you are trying to transition a few at one time. It might be easier to start child A on the first day of gan, and child B on the second day. If you tell them now they have plenty of time to work out that one morning. |
I guess you need to see who your klientle is. I know plenty of ft working moms who only need half a day of child care (there husband is in kollel and picks up the kid at 13:30)
chanuka is oficial vacation time and employers are a lot more understanding about taking off then. It is also easier to find a babysitter during chanuka cause most of the older girls are also off. I don't think a sub on the first morning is such a big deal - the kids don't know you anyway so whats the difference if they start getting used to you on the first day or the second?
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 6:17 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| cinnamon wrote: | | RachelEve14 wrote: | | cinnamon wrote: | | I'm a working mom and though I would try to understand you (I also took off when my dd started gan) I would be upset. I think finding a substitute for the first morning is a much better idea. It shows that you are commited and you understand that mothers depend on you. |
See I think a sub on the first morning is a really bad idea. The kids don't know you (I assume), so you are putting them in a new place, with a new person, who won't even be the person there mostly.
Working mothers need every day, and they need more than the gan schedule. If someone is already picking a person who works the gan schedule, she is going to be short a lot of hours unless she is a teacher / gannenet herself. Working parents work on chanukah, so I would assume subbing a day for a day would work just as well. Also, if everyone starts new on the same date and you have more than one small child, you are trying to transition a few at one time. It might be easier to start child A on the first day of gan, and child B on the second day. If you tell them now they have plenty of time to work out that one morning. |
I guess you need to see who your klientle is. I know plenty of ft working moms who only need half a day of child care (there husband is in kollel and picks up the kid at 13:30)
chanuka is oficial vacation time and employers are a lot more understanding about taking off then. It is also easier to find a babysitter during chanuka cause most of the older girls are also off. I don't think a sub on the first morning is such a big deal - the kids don't know you anyway so whats the difference if they start getting used to you on the first day or the second? |
I don't think I know ANY FT working moms who don't need FT child care. In fact, most of the working moms I know can barely fit in all their hours with the available daycare hours as it is. Further, Chanukah may be "official" vacation, but not all employers are understanding. They may bear with it because they have no choice, but that doesn't make them understanding. It's very, very dependant on the field.
PERSONALLY, I have a very generous vacation allowance...by the time I take off August and chol hamoed and Shushan Purim and erev chag, and...and...and...I don't HAVE any days left to take off at Chanukah! My DH has a bit of a weird schedule, so sometimes it works out that his day off matches up with a day the kids are off, but it's much harder for him to take time off (he works almost full time, but in several part time jobs, so he's not really alloted a full vacation period). It would be as difficult for me (generally) to arrange for an extra day of care in the summer as at Chanukah, and vice versa. As long as I got enough notice I could probably work something out, but I'd rather you switched a day for a day than had a stranger meet my child on the first day. _________________ Emmanuel Tzvi: 26 Shevat 5766
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The woman who's gan I've been sending my kids to ALWAYS starts a day after everyone else for this reason. I never thought twice about it. And yes, the years that I worked full time, I sent my 3 year old to the baby sitter for that day.
Enjoy bringing her to school!
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 8:12 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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I'm not sure where you live or what your hashkafa is, but where I live, both fathers and mothers are involved with pick-up, drop-off, plays, parties and everything else.
I don't see what the big deal is to have your husband take your older daughter to gan and stay with her those first couple hours. _________________
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 8:56 am Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| Can you discuss your situation with your DD's school and see what they suggest?
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| YESHASettler wrote: | I'm not sure where you live or what your hashkafa is, but where I live, both fathers and mothers are involved with pick-up, drop-off, plays, parties and everything else.
I don't see what the big deal is to have your husband take your older daughter to gan and stay with her those first couple hours. |
My dh would not feel comfortable sitting around with 35 other very Charedi/Yeshivish women with my daughter. He would definitely do it if there were no other choice, although it is also not ideal, since he starts in a new kollel on the same day.
I really don't like the sub idea and as a parent, I would be dissapointed with such a decision. The other idea that occurred to me is that since the first day is usually shorter (in order to make the transition easier), perhaps the working parents wouldn't mind too much if instead of doing from 8:30-11, I would do say 9:30-12.
Again, as a working mom, what would you think of that? I really want to do what is best for the gan, as well as my daughter. I just feel so torn because of this particular child's difficulty transitioning... I guess it doesn't make matters any easier that she is in my gan this year.
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 12:18 pm Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| sorry to go off topic when is the first day of the school year this year? anyone know? I heard it was end of august but didn't hear an actual day...
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 3:35 pm Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 3:42 pm Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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Nice that they let the moms stay!
But I don't get the problem with the fathers. It seems far fetched to me. In the morning like 90% of drivers are dads in dd's BY/cheder (less but still enough to be called "the dads' hour" in the evening). _________________
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 3:43 pm Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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hi, I am a playgroup Morah, the first year I started doing a playgroup in my home I had this problem. I started playgroup a half hour late adn the mothers were up in arms bec for a lot of them it was their first day back at work after the summer too, I guess a lot of htem were teachers too and they needed their child tostart playgoup on time.
since then when parents sign up their child, I tell them that my school schedule is very similar to all the schools in town, htere are only a couple of differences,eg I might take off an extra day before pesach and I will have a late start on the first day of school. so now they now, and they can't go crazy with me when it comes to it. I mail my schedule to them mid-July, so they have time to plan for that eventuality. to tell you the truth, the first day of playgroup is very hard on little kids, being away from mommy etc, so to shorten the morning a bit is much nicer for the kids and that is also a good way to justify it to the parents. you should do whatever you feel you have to do OP, it seems like you have everyone's best interests in mind, always remember you can't make everyone happy! just do your best!
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Posted: Wed, May 16 2012, 5:28 pm Post subject: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| Would it be possible to work out a completely different solution, such as keeping your daughter with you on day 1 and bringing her to her gan on day 2 (as a 3 year old, she wouldn't know the difference.)
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Posted: Thu, May 17 2012, 12:26 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| GoldFlowers wrote: | | Would it be possible to work out a completely different solution, such as keeping your daughter with you on day 1 and bringing her to her gan on day 2 (as a 3 year old, she wouldn't know the difference.) |
The daughter will need hand-holding for the first few days so she can acclimate. It's not just that first day.
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Posted: Thu, May 17 2012, 12:34 am Post subject: Re: re: To fellow gan teachers: wwyd? |
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| YESHASettler wrote: | | GoldFlowers wrote: | | Would it be possible to work out a completely different solution, such as keeping your daughter with you on day 1 and bringing her to her gan on day 2 (as a 3 year old, she wouldn't know the difference.) |
The daughter will need hand-holding for the first few days so she can acclimate. It's not just that first day. |
I agree that will change nothing, OP will just have the problem on day 2.
I think 9:30 is too late to start for working parents. I started at 8:00, instead of 7:00. I think if you really need off until around 9:30 then you should just tell the parents now and work an extra day of chanukah vacation or when suits you. There are a lot of days ganim take off that parents work. Lag B'omer, before Pesach, Chanukah, those days between YK and Sukkot. Pick one and work it this year in place of the first day of school and tell parents you are adjusting the schedule.
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