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Posted: Mon, May 07 2012, 10:55 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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If you're talking about an "outside expert," who writes for all the magazines and newspapers, then if you have the same (or similar) credentials, there's no reason to assume publications will reject your submissions out of hand. Especially if you feel that this writer's work is getting stale; after all, many readers probably share your opinion and everyone appreciates something new and fresh. Kal v'chomer if you feel you can do a better job presenting the material.
re: submission time lags and rejections, it isn't realistic to expect a response right away - the magazines are flooded with submissions and they do have a magazine to produce, so they can't devote too much time to submissions. reasonable expectations are a fairly immediate confirmation of receipt, and then up to six weeks for an answer, although I've found that it's often only 2-3 weeks (and there have been times that it's been only a few hours. it really depends on the timing).
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Posted: Mon, May 07 2012, 10:57 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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Seeker, do you want to become one of those outside experts? You shouldn't get dejected, there is always room for more because each person has her own style/technique, etc.
I think a good idea would be to start small. How about sending to those local freebie magazines? If you're in NY there are lots of them (country yossi, mothers helper...) They might be more likely to accept your submissions or they might even be willing to take you as a new columnist. That will help you get your name out and you can build a portfolio. Don't know if they pay but I think it still might be worth it just to start.
good luck!
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Posted: Mon, May 07 2012, 11:05 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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Thanks for the ideas and encouragement. Starting small is hard... necessary in most things, but hard...
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Posted: Mon, May 07 2012, 11:22 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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I donno... now I'm confused. do me a favor, contact me offline. mindycl@gmail.com. I cant keep checking back, and I'd like to help you. _________________ http://www.autism-parenting.com
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 5:10 am Post subject: Re: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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| Hashem loves me wrote: | | Seeker, do you want to become one of those outside experts? You shouldn't get dejected, there is always room for more because each person has her own style/technique, etc. |
If your work is good and you are persistent, you will be published, be"H.
| Hashem loves me wrote: | I think a good idea would be to start small. How about sending to those local freebie magazines? If you're in NY there are lots of them (country yossi, mothers helper...) They might be more likely to accept your submissions or they might even be willing to take you as a new columnist. That will help you get your name out and you can build a portfolio. Don't know if they pay but I think it still might be worth it just to start.
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I agree that this is a good idea. Tamar Ansh also suggested it recently.
Hatzlachah, seeker! Let us know when your work is published so we can cheer! _________________ איזהו עשיר השמח בחלקו ... אבות ד א
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 5:38 am Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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As a writer with many years experience I must disagree. If you are truly a talented writer, you will be recogenized by the top editors by your submissions alone. You will get one piece published, then another, and soon they'll be after you to write.
If you are a mediocre writer MAYBE this route will help you hone your skills but it wont get you very far in getting your work published. The only way mediocre writers get places is by bringing editors interesting stories or interviews with interesting personalities that the editors did not/could not get on their own.
If you do think you are a talented writer that somehw isn't being noticed there are two options.
1. Your topics aren't good.
2. You are deluded.
Its probably 1.
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There's no way I'd wait 6 weeks for an answer. I don't have the patience. I usually state in my email when I send it that I'll wait two weeks for an answer and then submit elsewhere. This usually works. Also I always state I want .10 cents a word and then let them haggle it down. _________________ "Don't turn your back. Don't look around. And don't blink. Good luck." -The Doctor
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 10:59 am Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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gp2.0 - playing hardball is okay for an established writer who already has a relationship of some sort with a publication. not good advice for a newbie.
and you may not have patience to wait more than two weeks for a response, but you obviously have no idea what it's like to run a magazine! if it's an obvious yes or no, sure they can respond fairly quickly. but it's not always so cut and dry and it's only fair to give them time to consider the pros and cons.
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 11:26 am Post subject: Re: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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| hindy k wrote: | gp2.0 - playing hardball is okay for an established writer who already has a relationship of some sort with a publication. not good advice for a newbie.
and you may not have patience to wait more than two weeks for a response, but you obviously have no idea what it's like to run a magazine! if it's an obvious yes or no, sure they can respond fairly quickly. but it's not always so cut and dry and it's only fair to give them time to consider the pros and cons. |
Well, I can only talk about my experience. If you act like an established writer, they treat you like one. If you don't, they give you the runaround.
And yes, I do know what it's like 'on the inside' of running a magazine. It was terribly unorganized and understaffed and that was why the submission process took so long. Two weeks should be more than enough time for an answer. Yes, No or Maybe. If I got a 'maybe' I'd be willing to wait a couple more weeks. But I'm not OK with no answer at all for six weeks.
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 12:43 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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| Thanks for the tips, everyone! And for the encouragement! I'd better start writing; I don't actually have articles done and ready to send yet, only dreams of writing them... I WISH I had some way of knowing what people would want to publish/read, though. That's the hardest part for me. There is plenty I could write about but I don't know where to start, what would interest people... so much easier when you have an assignment.
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 2:41 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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Seeker, (as I told you in my email to you), you come across confusing; bc you want to immediately become a staff writer with assignments. Most writers start out as freelancers and are then given assignments. As a freelancer myself, I think of a half dozen topics EVERY DAY!!!! but never have time to write them. I have about 30 pieces I'm bursting to write but wish I found the time. And funnily enough I hate, hate, HATE assignments. I can only write about something that's dear to my heart, that I experienced myself, that's when my words flow. If I am assigned a topic, it feels like school all over again, and I struggle. Even when I pitch an article and get given a deadline, my brain freezes up. I can only write at my own pace, and I have about 2 gazillion ideas that I have no time to flesh out. But that's how I got noticed; I pestered and pestered. I published in horizons, I submitted to binah over and over, until I was bh finally noticed, ironically enough , HERE ON IMAMOTHER. So I had been writing for free all this time; all these forum posts ended up being so passionate and eloquent that I ended up getting picked up by one mag and got a sort of behind-the-scenes job at another mag with an open invitation to write anytime, and was chased after by another magazine and was given an open invitation to write anytime but I declined for now. So it takes persistence, but it also takes constant writing. So I'm a little confused, if you can't think of topics, what avenues there are otherwise to get noticed as a writer and get actual assignments. The magazines dont assign pieces to new and unknown writers if they have no idea what youre capable of.
Dont think too hard. let inspiration hit you. when it'll hit you, you'll know it. and then just start typing! hatzlocha!
EDITED TO ADD: oops... I just reread your post and I realize I was a little too hasty. you did write you have plenty ideas but dont know what reaeders want to read. Well, readers want to read anything if it's engaging and interesting. Just pick a topic and write. If the mag rejects you, at least they've seen your style.
good luck.
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 9:56 pm Post subject: Re: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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| seeker wrote: | | Thanks for the tips, everyone! And for the encouragement! I'd better start writing; I don't actually have articles done and ready to send yet, only dreams of writing them... I WISH I had some way of knowing what people would want to publish/read, though. That's the hardest part for me. There is plenty I could write about but I don't know where to start, what would interest people... so much easier when you have an assignment. |
there's lots of people out there, so I'm guessing there are many many topics that would be conisdered 'good reading'.
write what YOU find interesting, if you are trying to 'people please' that comes across in the writing and it isnt very good, imo.
If you submit an article to a mag and they dont think their readership would be interested, they will tell you that. you can resubmit to another publication or try again with another topic.
right now I have a piece (my favorite, actually) that has no home, its not the type of thing I've ever seen in a frum publication. I think it would be perfect for the NY Times Lives column at the end of their Sunday Magazine, but first I doubt I'd get published there and second, I'd have to change too many details if I submitted to the NY times.
so its sitting until I find the right place for it.
write up your stories! then start submitting. and let us know which mag's to pick up when you get published!
hatzlocha!
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Posted: Thu, May 10 2012, 10:01 pm Post subject: Re: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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| gp2.0 wrote: | | hindy k wrote: | gp2.0 - playing hardball is okay for an established writer who already has a relationship of some sort with a publication. not good advice for a newbie.
and you may not have patience to wait more than two weeks for a response, but you obviously have no idea what it's like to run a magazine! if it's an obvious yes or no, sure they can respond fairly quickly. but it's not always so cut and dry and it's only fair to give them time to consider the pros and cons. |
Well, I can only talk about my experience. If you act like an established writer, they treat you like one. If you don't, they give you the runaround.
And yes, I do know what it's like 'on the inside' of running a magazine. It was terribly unorganized and understaffed and that was why the submission process took so long. Two weeks should be more than enough time for an answer. Yes, No or Maybe. If I got a 'maybe' I'd be willing to wait a couple more weeks. But I'm not OK with no answer at all for six weeks. | Hey, are you another magazine writer? Hint to your identity... what have you written??? I love "knowing" the authors in the magazines...
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Posted: Tue, May 15 2012, 9:49 pm Post subject: re: Always the same writers, is there room for more?! |
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Hi Seeker,
Can u PM me? I'd like to hear more specifics and I can help u if u like.
I'm on my phone now and have no energy to type lengthy posts now.
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