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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 11:05 am    Post subject: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each other
 
To all you smart imamothers. Those with married children and those with married siblings.
What's the secret in keeping your kids (or your parents' secret for keeping your siblings)close to one another after marriage. Sisters and brothers, younger and older whether they are 10 or 15 or more years apart from one another.

My children are still young and I want to instill in them the value of being close to one another after they get married.

So what is the secret?

I know davening is one of them and very important.
Please share your tips and advice.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 11:33 am    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
Don't compare them!
'Siblings Without Rivalry' has a lot of good suggestions.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 11:33 am    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
My siblings and I used to fight and argue when we were kids, but now we are close though we are different from each other. I know that if I ever need help I can count on them. What my parents did: Encourage children to be individuals and develop their own interests and talents. Don't say things like, "why can't you be more like your brother/ sister?" Try not to get involved in squabbles unless necessary.

My husband is not especially close with some of his siblings, and today many of them are competitive with and downright nasty to each other. When he was growing up, his parents often compared the siblings with each other unfavorably. During one recent visit, he got into a argument with his sister, and when she complained to their mother, his mother yelled at him.

My oldest kids are barely teens. When they were younger, I used to point out to the older ones how their younger siblings looked up to and admired them ("look at your little brother, he's trying to run so he can be big like you"). Now that they are older, I encourage them to work together and help each other, and praise them for that behavior. ("wow, you did such a good job teaching your sister her brachos, I can tell she feels so proud to be able to say them like you do"). My kids are naturally competitive and tend to compare themselves to others. I try to channel this a little by telling them that rather than trying to do better than their brother or friend, they should try to do better than they did last week.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 12:43 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
Don't compare them. Value each one's unique talents - one might be bright, another creative, another helpful and caring, another dependable, etc. - but on the other hand, don't label them as ''the dependable one". for example.
Don't favor one over another and don't punish one or all because of others.

My kids are married now, and it has always been important to me that they be close with one another. I don't have room for everyone, but I mix and match them for Shabbatot. I invite grandchildren of the same age, so they can spend time with their cousins. We all get together a couple times a year and it's become a tradition - Chanuka party at one, Purim Seuda at another, Yom Haatzmaut barbeque at another, etc.

I never give one sibling messages from the other - I tell them to call.

These are some of my strategies...

So far - it seems to be working.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 12:46 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
I think showing that you value the family unit is essential. As well as demonstrating the importance of loyalty.

And don't give just one of them a colorful coat.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 12:58 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
TranquilityAndPeace wrote:
I think showing that you value the family unit is essential. As well as demonstrating the importance of loyalty.

And don't give just one of them a colorful coat.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:07 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
Pay for their cell phone in a family plan? Wink

Halevai, right?
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:09 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:21 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
I don't think the way young children interact determines future relationships.

My siblings and I fought a lot as kids (my poor mother). Even as older teenagers (at that point it was comical) but we are so close now, and love getting together and spending time with each other.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:22 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
(disclaimer: I only have small children.. my oldest is 3 years old)

I think being close to your siblings is the best way to make your kids close to one another. If they see you calling, visiting, inviting over...etc your siblings (with happiness) then they will see it as good and normal and they will emulate it in their own lives. Also, be nice to your parents.... for the same reason.

The secret to them being close when they are small is to have them 15 or 16 months apart.. lol.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:26 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
amother wrote:
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.


I was just gonna post that!! but there's more to it than that. the one (semi-)functional parent we had instilled in us responsibility towards one another.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:38 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
I fought tons with my siblings, and that probably helped. When you're close enough to fight, that means you care about the other. But for as many scars as I have from the scratching and pinching we did, I have many more memories of laughing together.

I'm pretty close with my siblings, even if I don't speak to everyone every week. But they know they can call me whenever, and they will do so (at work, at 11 PM, it doesn't matter)...I'll be there for them. One sign of the closeness is that we can pick up where we left off even if we haven't seen each other in a long while or spoken to each other either.

And no, I don't have a family cell. That was a joke.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.


I was just gonna post that!! but there's more to it than that. the one (semi-)functional parent we had instilled in us responsibility towards one another.

hahahah. I was going to say the same thing as the first amother. then I read it and was gonna answer the same thing as second amother... so true. and for the record, we fought good and hard! we didn't stop fighting till my sister was 19-20. I was the younger one...
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:00 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
Hashem_Yaazor wrote:
I fought tons with my siblings, and that probably helped. When you're close enough to fight, that means you care about the other. But for as many scars as I have from the scratching and pinching we did, I have many more memories of laughing together.

I'm pretty close with my siblings, even if I don't speak to everyone every week. But they know they can call me whenever, and they will do so (at work, at 11 PM, it doesn't matter)...I'll be there for them. One sign of the closeness is that we can pick up where we left off even if we haven't seen each other in a long while or spoken to each other either.

And no, I don't have a family cell. That was a joke.


what you said -

my sister is 4 years older than me and my brother 5. we used to fight all the time. the next sister older than me was 13 years older. I remember her holding a belt and standing in the hallway saying threatening to make good use of it if we don't go into bed NOW! lol. but she never hit me. (my dad would have her head if she actually used it. no matter for what reason). but she was the scary one. lol.
my brother and my sister (4&5 years older than me) where a team against me. they would do everything together and I was JJJJ. I had my niece who was less then a year younger than me for company and we where a team sometimes but it wasn't the same, siblings are siblings... so I used to tease them both. I always managed to find out what will annoy them the most at the worst moments and boy would they jump! but we really did love each others. by the time I turned 9-10 me and my brother didn't fight that much and he really felt sorry for all those times he beat me up and would always buy me little stuff on his way home from yeshiva... as a way to say sorry.
as for my sister, we fought till she got engaged (21)!!!!! but we really did love each other. but we still where so close sometimes... now, 4 years later, we are the closest sisters, recently she was going thru a little something. nothing major and was kinda nervous and unsure and she called me 6:00 in the morning and DH thought something in my brain is wired wrong cuz I was willing to talk to her and not upset that she called me at such an hour! lol

usually the more they fight (for petty things, not nasty word fighting) the closer they are when they grow up. My husband used to fight tons with one of his brothers (2 years younger) and he is so close to him now. as his older sister (1 year older) and his brother (2-3 years older) he never fought and they still love each other but its not the same...
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:03 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:22 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
Not all children who fight when young will be close as adults. I'm the amother who replied above. I used to fight with my siblings, and we are close now, though we still disagree on some things (politics for one). But my husband used to fight with his siblings and nearly every time I see them they're sniping at each other.
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:43 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.


I was just gonna post that!! but there's more to it than that. the one (semi-)functional parent we had instilled in us responsibility towards one another.

hahahah. I was going to say the same thing as the first amother. then I read it and was gonna answer the same thing as second amother... so true. and for the record, we fought good and hard! we didn't stop fighting till my sister was 19-20. I was the younger one...


Me too! My ILs are seriously dysfunctional, and yet I've never seen 4 siblings so close and loving in all my life. DH and his brother in particular are very close, they talk on the phone every day. Apparently as kids, they used to kill each other (they're 15 months apart).
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
morah wrote:
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.


I was just gonna post that!! but there's more to it than that. the one (semi-)functional parent we had instilled in us responsibility towards one another.

hahahah. I was going to say the same thing as the first amother. then I read it and was gonna answer the same thing as second amother... so true. and for the record, we fought good and hard! we didn't stop fighting till my sister was 19-20. I was the younger one...


Me too! My ILs are seriously dysfunctional, and yet I've never seen 4 siblings so close and loving in all my life. DH and his brother in particular are very close, they talk on the phone every day. Apparently as kids, they used to kill each other (they're 15 months apart).
so, there is no bad without good - is this the flip side of dysfunction?
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:55 pm    Post subject: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each oth
 
My next oldest sibling is a couple of years older than me, and there are four of us all together. I'm the baby. We didn't fight much growing up, at least by the time I got old enough to care. We pretty much had our own different lives.

We're not close now. Not at all. One of them I actually think has horrible, terrible middos. He gets upset over the most ridiculous things, makes family feuds out of nothing, is constantly gossiping to me about the other siblings no matter how much I try to avoid it...and I'm sure he's gossiping to them about me. His wife is the same way.

Of the two other siblings, one of them has a completely different personality than me and is hashkafically very different from me, so we're sort of at a "polite acquaintance" level. The other one is great, and we're friendly with each other, but not as close as most adults siblings I know.

I think that the number 1 thing you can do to keep your kids as close to each other as possible is to help them with their middos. Teach them how to overlook things that people do -- especially by mistake. Teach them to judge other people l'kaf zchus. Teach them to accept people who are different from them. Teach them to love giving to other people.

My parents are wonderful, and I'm actually quite close to them. So are my siblings except for the one above who gets upset at everyone else. I have no idea if they could have done anything differently. But I do wish that I was closer with my sibs Sad
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PostPosted: Wed, Apr 25 2012, 2:59 pm    Post subject: Re: re: What's the secret to make your kids be close to each
 
amother wrote:
morah wrote:
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
have a dysfunctional home where it's clear that all they can depend on is each other.


I was just gonna post that!! but there's more to it than that. the one (semi-)functional parent we had instilled in us responsibility towards one another.

hahahah. I was going to say the same thing as the first amother. then I read it and was gonna answer the same thing as second amother... so true. and for the record, we fought good and hard! we didn't stop fighting till my sister was 19-20. I was the younger one...


Me too! My ILs are seriously dysfunctional, and yet I've never seen 4 siblings so close and loving in all my life. DH and his brother in particular are very close, they talk on the phone every day. Apparently as kids, they used to kill each other (they're 15 months apart).
so, there is no bad without good - is this the flip side of dysfunction?


I really don't know. It can be a silver lining, but I doubt it works out like that all the time. I doubt you need to be dysfunctional for your kids to always be there for each other. I really don't know what to do, but I'm sure it will be a huge help for my kids to see how DH gets along so great with his siblings.
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