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Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:37 pm Post subject: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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Asking as I had company who didnt eat gebroks-even on acharon shel pesach. Never heard of this before and wondering how common it is. _________________ If you're gonna be blue, be bright blue!
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Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:42 pm Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| I think I remember someone asked this last year too
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Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:49 pm Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| My inlaws don't! They say that you need to leave dishes for a year if they're exposed to gebroks before you can use them again, and from the last day of pesach to the first day the next year is less than a full year. (Not sure how this explanation works for a leap year, but whatever...)
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Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:53 pm Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| That doesnt explain this case, as they are not makpid on keilim. If a pan was used to make gebroks, I was able to use the same one to make non-gebroks and they had no problem with it.
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Posted: Sun, Apr 22 2012, 11:56 pm Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| peppermint wrote: | | I think I remember someone asked this last year too |
Youre right! I did post this last year too!! The older I get, the worse my memory gets!
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 12:14 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| Interesting. According to my understanding of what my fil said, the last day of pesach is a safek of yom tov, so people who are makpid on gebroks will not be to show that it's a safe yom tov and to show that gebroks is really not chometz. However, they have this keilim issue, so they don't do it.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 12:49 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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by many chassidim, the'rs an inyan to davka eat gebrochts on the 8th day to illustrate that it's chumra and not halacha - so much so that in EY we draw out our moshiach seuda until past tzais specifically in order to "brock" before benching and havdala. _________________ Growing old is mandatory, growing up is optional. (I haven't finished growing up yet; I'm still a work in progress - until 120!)
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 2:30 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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We don't.
But our last day of Pesach is the 7th day. _________________ "The problem begins with... their political hangers oners... such as Anat Hoffman. She is a davener like I am a chinese belly dancer." (FS)
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 3:55 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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Did you brok on Shabbos this year?
Don't Litvaks brok?
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 4:10 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| sarahd wrote: | | Did you brok on Shabbos this year? |
Yes, we did (in the end, after dh finally decided we could - he was worried about the pots for next year).
| Quote: | | Don't Litvaks brok? |
Long story. My dh has chassidish ancestry. Also some Litvish don't, but as a chumra not a minhag (yes, it makes a difference sometimes).
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 4:34 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| if you are worried about the pots, you could set aside one pot (to make matza balls for example) and make sure that pot does not get used again untill the middle of pesach. And use disposables to eat from.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 5:48 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| kb wrote: | | My inlaws don't! They say that you need to leave dishes for a year if they're exposed to gebroks before you can use them again, and from the last day of pesach to the first day the next year is less than a full year. (Not sure how this explanation works for a leap year, but whatever...) |
I've heard about the year thing too, but by a gebrok's eating family so I understand they're not worried about it not being a complete year.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 7:31 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| shanie5 wrote: | | peppermint wrote: | | I think I remember someone asked this last year too |
Youre right! I did post this last year too!! The older I get, the worse my memory gets! |
Was it the same company, too?
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 8:35 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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Yes - my parents don't.
They are nadvorna, and that is one of the chassidusen that don't. I'm not sure which other ones don't as well. _________________ Unfortunately, my daydreams about being skinny are always being interrrupted by the sound of my own chewing.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 9:21 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| sarahd wrote: |
Don't Litvaks brok? |
I always wondered about this because I've noticed that the very "yeshivish" litvish tend not to eat gebroks.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 9:29 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| Simple1 wrote: | | sarahd wrote: |
Don't Litvaks brok? |
I always wondered about this because I've noticed that the very "yeshivish" litvish tend not to eat gebroks. |
I explained above that for Litvish it is a chumra, not a minhag. The reason is because it is based on halacha that still applies today (although less with modern matza bakeries). The basis for not eating gebrokts is in case some flour didn't get fully mixed in, it might become chometz if it gets wet again (although that's not the halacha, it is a chumra as I explained).
I also never heard of Litvish keeping 'gebrokt chumras' like not putting matza on the table etc. In fact, we get matza wet with a spread or something (or wet lettuce at the seder) providing we eat it within 18 minutes.
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| shalhevet wrote: |
I explained above that for Litvish it is a chumra, not a minhag. The reason is because it is based on halacha that still applies today (although less with modern matza bakeries). The basis for not eating gebrokts is in case some flour didn't get fully mixed in, it might become chometz if it gets wet again (although that's not the halacha, it is a chumra as I explained).
I also never heard of Litvish keeping 'gebrokt chumras' like not putting matza on the table etc. In fact, we get matza wet with a spread or something (or wet lettuce at the seder) providing we eat it within 18 minutes. |
these sort of comments REALLY tick me off (this is nothing personal btw - I'm prob just really sensative because of my upbringing)
How can something be a chumrah just for ONE typ of person? Halacha is Halacha. Chumrah is chumrah.
HALACHA can be different from one person to the next, depending on who is paskening. (like hillel held HAHACHA was one thing where as shamai held the HALACHA is something else) but it was still halacha.
Gebrachs is PURE CHUMRAH for EVERY1. that is why 99 % of ppl (here on Imamother is the first time I heard of ppl NOT doing it the last day) dedavka do eat it on the last day, to show that it is a chumrah that started in Europe around the time of the Baal shemtov(?) (or maybe a few hundred year before).
Any true educated person will admit that it's a chumrah (I've yet to meet some1 who will say it's NOT a chumrah)
if I'm wrong some1 please correct me, because I do get passionate about halachos vs. chumrah type of things... (I grew up in a home where my parents made the hugest deals over their personal chumras (yes personal - such as differnent shelves in fridge for dairy and meat)... so I've grown up into always making sure I know what is chumrah and what is halacha...
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Posted: Mon, Apr 23 2012, 11:41 pm Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| smilethere wrote: | Yes - my parents don't.
They are nadvorna, and that is one of the chassidusen that don't. I'm not sure which other ones don't as well. | hey, mine too! and shani5, I remembered this topic from last yr and thought someone had bumped it up! _________________ Take my advice. I wasn't using it anyway.
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Posted: Tue, Apr 24 2012, 12:22 am Post subject: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| We don't, I mean my DH doesn't so now I don't. Funny by my parents its a whole event, the gebroks "party"!
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Posted: Tue, Apr 24 2012, 2:44 am Post subject: Re: re: Anybody not eat gebroks on the last day of pesach? |
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| Arcy wrote: | | shalhevet wrote: |
I explained above that for Litvish it is a chumra, not a minhag. The reason is because it is based on halacha that still applies today (although less with modern matza bakeries). The basis for not eating gebrokts is in case some flour didn't get fully mixed in, it might become chometz if it gets wet again (although that's not the halacha, it is a chumra as I explained).
I also never heard of Litvish keeping 'gebrokt chumras' like not putting matza on the table etc. In fact, we get matza wet with a spread or something (or wet lettuce at the seder) providing we eat it within 18 minutes. |
these sort of comments REALLY tick me off (this is nothing personal btw - I'm prob just really sensative because of my upbringing)
How can something be a chumrah just for ONE typ of person? Halacha is Halacha. Chumrah is chumrah.
HALACHA can be different from one person to the next, depending on who is paskening. (like hillel held HAHACHA was one thing where as shamai held the HALACHA is something else) but it was still halacha.
Gebrachs is PURE CHUMRAH for EVERY1. that is why 99 % of ppl (here on Imamother is the first time I heard of ppl NOT doing it the last day) dedavka do eat it on the last day, to show that it is a chumrah that started in Europe around the time of the Baal shemtov(?) (or maybe a few hundred year before).
Any true educated person will admit that it's a chumrah (I've yet to meet some1 who will say it's NOT a chumrah)
if I'm wrong some1 please correct me, because I do get passionate about halachos vs. chumrah type of things... (I grew up in a home where my parents made the hugest deals over their personal chumras (yes personal - such as differnent shelves in fridge for dairy and meat)... so I've grown up into always making sure I know what is chumrah and what is halacha... |
I really don't understand your post. Do you know the difference between halacha, chumra and minhag? No one said gebrokts is halacha (is that what you are getting upset about?).
For most people, gebrokts is minhag. That means they have to keep it. You have to keep a family minhag whether or not there is logic/ reason behind it today - for example there are minhagim in various communities not to eat garlic/ fish/ tomatoes etc. etc. on Pesach - if it is a family/ communal minhag, it is binding. (Unless there would be exceptional circumstances in consultation with a rav.)
When it is a chumra, children don't have to continue with it. Also, if someone took it on as a chumra and knew it wasn't halacha, it is easier to drop it if circumstances change. Some things we do as chumras and even don't keep it if it clashes with another mitzva.
Maybe you misread that I said it was halacha? If not, can you explain what you meant?
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