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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 6:37 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
Yes I was disappointed. I can totally see myself as Leba in a couple of years and I was looking forward to reading about her working through her issues in a mature way. I guess I'm too optimistic about these things...
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 8:18 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
I was also really surprised and disappointed that it ended so early! I was enjoying the story and was impressed that Binah was brave enough to discuss this topic. I guess back under the rug it goes.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 9:55 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
Dear Binah,

Thank you so much for pulling "Happy Endings" from your otherwise wonderful magazine. Each week, I tried to flip past it without reading it, but my yetzer hara was too strong. And each time I read it, I found myself thinking, "Yeah! Being a mother is just not worth it!" After a month of this, I actually bought a one-way ticket to Maui - I can't believe I let it get this far! - and was ready to leave it all behind.

Well, Baruch Hashem, I came to my senses this week, when you ended that pernicious story. I canceled my ticket and I'm staying right here with my rotten little monsters. Thank you so much for having the integrity to stay away from controversial issues like women working on themselves and trying to become better mothers. May I suggest that in future you stick to topics like cake decorating and poems about tefilla.

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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 9:58 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
iluvy wrote:
Dear Binah,

Thank you so much for pulling "Happy Endings" from your otherwise wonderful magazine. Each week, I tried to flip past it without reading it, but my yetzer hara was too strong. And each time I read it, I found myself thinking, "Yeah! Being a mother is just not worth it!" After a month of this, I actually bought a one-way ticket to Maui - I can't believe I let it get this far! - and was ready to leave it all behind.

Well, Baruch Hashem, I came to my senses this week, when you ended that pernicious story. I canceled my ticket and I'm staying right here with my rotten little monsters. Thank you so much for having the integrity to stay away from controversial issues like women working on themselves and trying to become better mothers. May I suggest that in future you stick to topics like cake decorating and poems about tefilla.

Sincerely,
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I think you shouldve just gone away to Maui. how mean of you to take away my free therapist because you dont know how to sift through reading material?
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:01 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
lol... poems about tefila, perfect
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:04 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
wait a minute, I get it that publications dont get all instalments of serials at once, so they cant know the wording , but they surely knew the basic storyline, no?

so what happened now? and what happened all other times with various magazines? how does this work?
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:08 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
iluvy wrote:
Dear Binah,

Thank you so much for pulling "Happy Endings" from your otherwise wonderful magazine. Each week, I tried to flip past it without reading it, but my yetzer hara was too strong. And each time I read it, I found myself thinking, "Yeah! Being a mother is just not worth it!" After a month of this, I actually bought a one-way ticket to Maui - I can't believe I let it get this far! - and was ready to leave it all behind.

Well, Baruch Hashem, I came to my senses this week, when you ended that pernicious story. I canceled my ticket and I'm staying right here with my rotten little monsters. Thank you so much for having the integrity to stay away from controversial issues like women working on themselves and trying to become better mothers. May I suggest that in future you stick to topics like cake decorating and poems about tefilla.

Sincerely,
iluvy


LOL! Rolling Laughter

I would read any story you'd write. Well, I'd probably skip a poem about tefilla, but anything else! Wink
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:12 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
I'm glad I'm not the only one who was disappointed that the serial ended so abruptly! I think this is an issue that needs to be discussed and one that, if people are going through it, they don't necessarily know that they are totally normal. I agree with you, tziggelle. This is a WOMEN's magazine, as it says on the cover. Interestingly, when readers protested too much exposure in one particular article (a few years ago, I think about nursing) this was the magazine's response. And now they themselves are retracting a good story because of sensitive issues.

I am unsure as to what the sensitive issues were that made them end the story, but if it was the fact that Leba was "complaining" about her kids when there are so many women struggling to get pregnant in the first place, here's what I have to say: Yes, infertility is a much scarier and perhaps more difficult thing to endure, BUT depression and finding it hard to cope with one's children is something that although many people cannot understand it, is extremely frightening and leaves the victim feeling desolate and very, very alone. I am not going to equate it, c"v, but that doesn't mean that people who are going through it should continue to feel down and incompetent and frustrated. They need to go for help. There is a very well written serial about IF in the same magazine in which the author said years ago IF was a taboo subject and not something people normally discussed so much. Now that there are organizations and support groups and people are generally more open about it, those going through it are at least having the nechamah of having people to share their pain with. I think that this story was bringing awareness, not simply being insensitive to any parties. Women deserve to know that certain situations require going for help for. If they continue to go on this way, misery becomes the only path. This is not the way it should be.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:21 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
do you think if we bombard binah with letters they will bring the serial back? ( ftr, I havent read this week's installment yet)
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:32 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
Amen, milchigs. You can't compare issues, but it should definitely be validated that depression or whatever Leba was going through is its own type of hell. In fact because of all the PR that IF gets these days, I think people who have difficulties in pregnancy or childrearing feel even more invalidated because they have to keep hearing the message that if you have kids, you have nothing to complain about. Everyone gets their own package in life and nobody gets a free ride. Emotional pain is HARD.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:44 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
I am also sorry to see it go - I enjoyed it!

I highly highly doubt that the senstive issues that led them to essentially pull the serial were because of women experiencing infertility. I actually thought it was the shidduch part and the engagement that was almost broken due to the support issue. That's a highly controversial issue.
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PostPosted: Thu, Mar 29 2012, 10:47 pm    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
After the chosson said he'll have to think about what his kallah told him vis a vis the finances, what was his reply?

(I don't know what week's issue that was in, so if it's this week's, please write *spoiler alert* to alert posters here.)
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 12:24 am    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
I thought the story was pulled because of the issue between Aryeh and Aliza - the idea of parents supporting a Ben Torah forever or Ben Torahs only looking to marry money. The stressed-out/depressed mom theme has beeen going on since the beginning of the story, whereas the Aliza/Aryeh issue had just broken. Binah's claim was that they didn't want to give the wrong impression to women of different backgrounds.

For the record, that letter from the smug and self-righteous women about how Leba should count her blessings got be SO SO SO MAD!!!!! Shooting Arrow I felt like writing a letter saying how it's women like her that cause all these problems ('how come everyone can cope and I can't and there must be something wrong with me if I need help')
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 12:53 am    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
chocolate fondue wrote:
For the record, that letter from the smug and self-righteous women about how Leba should count her blessings got be SO SO SO MAD!!!!! Shooting Arrow I felt like writing a letter saying how it's women like her that cause all these problems ('how come everyone can cope and I can't and there must be something wrong with me if I need help')


This.

I was thinking the same thing. And people who are tactless enough to voice something like that are probably the same people who say hurtful things to childless women.

The problem at hand is not a made up one, nor is pulling the story (if this was, indeed, the reason) going to make it all go away.

If it's the support issue, then why in heaven's name did they have to stop the story for that reason? Leave the characters alone and let's see how they deal with the problem on their own!
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 1:36 am    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
It was more of an issue that the teeens wwho read Binah - an they do! - were getting a pretty negative/depressing message about parenting small kids/large families, sense of identity as a mother, etc.. I personally don't think it's that big a deal but I believe that was the chief concern.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 1:40 am    Post subject: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
P.S..... I know this might be giving away the ending, but I'm the writer of the IF series Smile (which has nothing to do with Happy Endings)
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 1:48 am    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
Mama Bear wrote:
It was more of an issue that the teeens wwho read Binah - an they do! - were getting a pretty negative/depressing message about parenting small kids/large families, sense of identity as a mother, etc.. I personally don't think it's that big a deal but I believe that was the chief concern.

And by following Leba on a journey of growth they could then develop a more positive message. Instead of the lame, garbled, or nonexistent message they're probably getting without it. I was a thinking kind of teen and this is something that I did think about and never dared to voice. 'they' always operate with the assumption that you're going to get married and have a zillion kids and I always worried about how I was going to handle them. And guess what, now that I have one child I still have the same questions and concerns only stronger because now I know there is no superhuman power automatically vested in mothers.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 6:02 am    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
sky wrote:
tsiggelle wrote:
sky wrote:
tsiggelle wrote:
sky wrote:
As soon as I started reading I realized this was not the writer's style of ending things up so neatly. The only thing not smoothed over was Leba's getting published.

reason it ended:

due to the the sensitive nature of topics touched upon in the story and the unintended messages to readers of different ages and backgrounds.

When Aliza told that she didn't have money we had a very heated discussion about how Aryeh reacted. the opinions of men and women were VERY different.


and? that gave bina an avalance of heated letters?


I doubt the letters were about the Aliza and Aryeh story (although you never know). I think it was more about "how can a Jewish mother not want to take care of her children and be overwhelmed".

I just thought the Aryeh and Aliza story greatly highlighted the story between men and women. In our discussion on the topic the men thought Aryeh acted perfectly reasonable while the women thought it was incredibly hurtful that he said he had to think it over.


yeah, right, jewish mothers can never be human? (sarcastic).

interesting, because I was taught that jewish women are human, and sometimes depression and other issues happen, as does plain feeling overwhelmed. and our job is to seek ways to nurture ourselves, and learn coping skills to know how to raise our children with whatever else we are dealing with in life.

I thought the author was talking about that, wasnt she?


I thought it was playing out really nicely. In the letters to the editor a lot of women were able to relate to Leba. But one women wrote in very strongly about whats wrong with women today can't they be good mothers - it came across so smug and self righteous. Everyone has struggles.


I really wanted to write to Binah re: that letter. Something along the lines of, "Thank you 'one of the thousands of mothers who actually enjoy taking care of our children', you are the reason that thousands more women feel like terrible mothers!"
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
milchigs wrote:
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For the record, that letter from the smug and self-righteous women about how Leba should count her blessings got be SO SO SO MAD!!!!! Shooting Arrow I felt like writing a letter saying how it's women like her that cause all these problems ('how come everyone can cope and I can't and there must be something wrong with me if I need help')


This.

I was thinking the same thing. And people who are tactless enough to voice something like that are probably the same people who say hurtful things to childless women.

The problem at hand is not a made up one, nor is pulling the story (if this was, indeed, the reason) going to make it all go away.

If it's the support issue, then why in heaven's name did they have to stop the story for that reason? Leave the characters alone and let's see how they deal with the problem on their own!


Whoops, just saw that you wrote exactly the same thing I did!
I was furious about it the whole week.
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PostPosted: Sun, Apr 01 2012, 6:27 am    Post subject: Re: re: Happy Endings in Binah
 
Mama Bear wrote:
It was more of an issue that the teeens wwho read Binah - an they do! - were getting a pretty negative/depressing message about parenting small kids/large families, sense of identity as a mother, etc.. I personally don't think it's that big a deal but I believe that was the chief concern.


IF- can you spell it out or just write the author name, I want to re-read it now!! Laughing
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