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| dvorak613 wrote: | My parents are French and my paternal grandparents are in Paris. I haven't gone since before having my baby (and that was minus DH and DS1), though they've come here twice. We recently took the baby on a trip to Florida to see my maternal grandparents and it was fine. We are going to Paris IY'H in May. it's a little different- longer flight, bigger baby (turning one next month), international etc, so I will need to be prepare more than before, but yes, I will avail myself of my right to take him to Paris to see his family. I will be loaded with toys, snacks, and my nursing cover; I will let him watch TV, even though I generally don't; we booked the bulkhead seats this time even though it cost extra (for Florida, we managed without b/c it's only a 2 hour flight). Most importantly, we booked the flight at such a time so as NOT to interfere with his nap schedule even though it was more expensive and less convenient in other ways. I did my part, and with Hashem's help, it should work out. If it doesn't, well, maybe the other adults in the world need to grow up and show a little respect for the people who will be paying their social security (and doing without for themselves, because it probably won't exist anymore by the time I'm old enough to use it, let alone my children).
ETA: I have a toddler too, almost 3. I did not travel with him when he was little because I was afraid of the hassle. No More! And he's been fine too every time he's flown. He's a pro by now! |
Please keep in mind that the child in question wasn't simply crying, but wouldn't remain buckled; and flights need to take off on time if at all possible as other flights are dependent on the plane leaving on time, as well as others are dependent on arriving at the next airport in time, so they don't miss a connecting flight.
One reason I always try and have a long layover.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| dvorak613 wrote: | My parents are French and my paternal grandparents are in Paris. I haven't gone since before having my baby (and that was minus DH and DS1), though they've come here twice. We recently took the baby on a trip to Florida to see my maternal grandparents and it was fine. We are going to Paris IY'H in May. it's a little different- longer flight, bigger baby (turning one next month), international etc, so I will need to be prepare more than before, but yes, I will avail myself of my right to take him to Paris to see his family. I will be loaded with toys, snacks, and my nursing cover; I will let him watch TV, even though I generally don't; we booked the bulkhead seats this time even though it cost extra (for Florida, we managed without b/c it's only a 2 hour flight). Most importantly, we booked the flight at such a time so as NOT to interfere with his nap schedule even though it was more expensive and less convenient in other ways. I did my part, and with Hashem's help, it should work out. If it doesn't, well, maybe the other adults in the world need to grow up and show a little respect for the people who will be paying their social security (and doing without for themselves, because it probably won't exist anymore by the time I'm old enough to use it, let alone my children).
ETA: I have a toddler too, almost 3. I did not travel with him when he was little because I was afraid of the hassle. No More! And he's been fine too every time he's flown. He's a pro by now! |
So, if your flight is delayed by 45 minutes by someone else's toddler refusing to sit down, which will require you to sit in your seat without using electronics, holding your baby and insisting that your 3 year-old sit buckled in his own seat, you won't be miffed. Even if it means missing connecting flights. And if anyone else is miffed, you'd suggest they just grow up. Because ensuring that one toddler and her family be on a particular flight is and should be of paramount importance, with no other factors to be taken into consideration.
Sorry. I think that the people who need to grow up are the kids' parents. I don't know where the line is, but at some point, if a toddler won't settle into her seat so she can be buckled in, everyone -- parent and airline -- has to think of other people, and agree to leave the plane. As I said, its not 5 minutes, or even 10. But at some point, the balance shifts to the other passengers.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:03 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| dvorak613 wrote: | My parents are French and my paternal grandparents are in Paris. I haven't gone since before having my baby (and that was minus DH and DS1), though they've come here twice. We recently took the baby on a trip to Florida to see my maternal grandparents and it was fine. We are going to Paris IY'H in May. it's a little different- longer flight, bigger baby (turning one next month), international etc, so I will need to be prepare more than before, but yes, I will avail myself of my right to take him to Paris to see his family. I will be loaded with toys, snacks, and my nursing cover; I will let him watch TV, even though I generally don't; we booked the bulkhead seats this time even though it cost extra (for Florida, we managed without b/c it's only a 2 hour flight). Most importantly, we booked the flight at such a time so as NOT to interfere with his nap schedule even though it was more expensive and less convenient in other ways. I did my part, and with Hashem's help, it should work out. If it doesn't, well, maybe the other adults in the world need to grow up and show a little respect for the people who will be paying their social security (and doing without for themselves, because it probably won't exist anymore by the time I'm old enough to use it, let alone my children).
ETA: I have a toddler too, almost 3. I did not travel with him when he was little because I was afraid of the hassle. No More! And he's been fine too every time he's flown. He's a pro by now! |
You need to grow up and learn respect for the people collecting social security. What is wrong with you? These people paid into the system. What don't people collecting medicaid, section 8, welfare, etc all kowtow to you? You present your tax returns and they present their benefit cards so they can pay proper homage to you. What happened to respect for seniors?
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Barbara wrote: | | As I said, its not 5 minutes, or even 10. But at some point, the balance shifts to the other passengers. |
Aside from the tertiary discussion of when and whether people should travel, I think Barbara's point is best: sure, there are some crazy airline employees out there, but this doesn't sound like a garden-variety tantrum.
Again, we can't demand the right to have our cake while we eat it: if we want airlines to provide low-cost airfares; maintain reasonable on-time performance; and some degree of safety, we're going to have accept the bad with the good. That means that if you aren't in your seat and buckled, you're going to be left at the gate.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Barbara wrote: | FYI, the sticker does NOT say that the seat is FAA approved. If you're looking for that, you won't find it. What you need is this:
In fact, most car seats are FAA approved. Booster seats are NOT. See, eg,
http://www.carseatsite.com/recommended_car_seats.htm
ETA of course, its awfully ethnocentric of me -- and the FAA -- to think that those stickers exist outside the US.  |
I know that. And my one "good" seat IS an American seat. Actually, I have two "good" seats (both American)...but the one we're travelling with is the one that's a 3-in-1 and has no wings/arms (we learned the hard way last time that the wings interfere with the seat tray, making even colouring an impossible task) and can be used for any one of the kids who might need it at any given moment. FTR, even convertible/backed/harnessed boosters are not, and most infant carriers are not. And, as you so rightly pointed out, this is not something that will be found on a non-American product...which proliferate even within the American market, never mind anywhere else in the world.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:24 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Fox wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | | As I said, its not 5 minutes, or even 10. But at some point, the balance shifts to the other passengers. |
Aside from the tertiary discussion of when and whether people should travel, I think Barbara's point is best: sure, there are some crazy airline employees out there, but this doesn't sound like a garden-variety tantrum.
Again, we can't demand the right to have our cake while we eat it: if we want airlines to provide low-cost airfares; maintain reasonable on-time performance; and some degree of safety, we're going to have accept the bad with the good. That means that if you aren't in your seat and buckled, you're going to be left at the gate. |
I've flown many, many times and never ever experienced any delays due to kids having tantrums. I think this sort of occurance is extremely rare.
When I have travelled with kids the stewerdesses act like my kid is royalty, and have been helpful, considerate and admiring. I don't travel much on american airlines* though, european ones usually. One local airline is pretty un child (and adult) friendly and I avoid using them when possible.
*all american airlines, not only AA.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:36 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Raisin wrote: | When I have travelled with kids the stewerdesses act like my kid is royalty, and have been helpful, considerate and admiring. I don't travel much on american airlines* though, european ones usually. One local airline is pretty un child (and adult) friendly and I avoid using them when possible.
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I agree completely! I don't fly as much as I used to, but I recall that the tantrum-to-toddler ratio was much lower in airplanes than in, say, the grocery store. I only had one negative experience -- when I tried to bring a baby into Continental's President's Club (or whatever they called it) -- and it was clearly a single crazy individual.
I really think the thing that gets people riled up is when they feel -- rightly or wrongly -- that the parents aren't doing anything to prevent or curtail the problem. And not every casual bystander is a particularly good judge of what does or doesn't work when confronted by a serious, five-alarm meltdown.
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Dvorak613- I also have grandparents in France (in Nice). They do spend 6 months of the year in NY (2 of 4 children live here) so maybe I'd feel differently if I were only seeing them twice a year, but I feel that now is not the time to be jetting off to France with my baby. It's not worth the hassle. And really, you think you're going to avoid naptime? NY to Paris is 6 hours, assuming no delays. Even if naptime is in the middle of the flight so that take-off and landing are "safe", you don't know that the baby will necessarily fall asleep when he's supposed to due to the strange environment. I get that you want to see your family, but it seems they do come to you- is it really necessary to subject your family and other passengers to potential disaster? Personally, I don't think my kid needs to see France before he's old enough to appreciate it- speaking of which, what was the point of this family shlepping two toddlers to Turks and Caicos? For family memories? The kids won't even remember!
I do think society is sometimes unfriendly to children. Plenty of adults misbehave on planes too and nothing ever happens to them. And even under the best of circumstances, with all the preparation in the world, kids melt down. No, they shouldn't be hidden away from society, and yes, families do have a right to travel and people should be understanding that kids will be kids and no one likes traveling anyway. But use some seichel. Don't take the red-eye; don't expect your child to sleep on the plane; and think twice before subjecting them (and everyone around them) to more than a 3 hour flight.
Oh, based on your little SS rant, I'm going to assume you're under 30. Me too. I'm sorry to say, the entitlement attitude prevalent in our generation is WAY worse than whatever messes our parents and grandparents might have made.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Barbara wrote: | | dvorak613 wrote: | My parents are French and my paternal grandparents are in Paris. I haven't gone since before having my baby (and that was minus DH and DS1), though they've come here twice. We recently took the baby on a trip to Florida to see my maternal grandparents and it was fine. We are going to Paris IY'H in May. it's a little different- longer flight, bigger baby (turning one next month), international etc, so I will need to be prepare more than before, but yes, I will avail myself of my right to take him to Paris to see his family. I will be loaded with toys, snacks, and my nursing cover; I will let him watch TV, even though I generally don't; we booked the bulkhead seats this time even though it cost extra (for Florida, we managed without b/c it's only a 2 hour flight). Most importantly, we booked the flight at such a time so as NOT to interfere with his nap schedule even though it was more expensive and less convenient in other ways. I did my part, and with Hashem's help, it should work out. If it doesn't, well, maybe the other adults in the world need to grow up and show a little respect for the people who will be paying their social security (and doing without for themselves, because it probably won't exist anymore by the time I'm old enough to use it, let alone my children).
ETA: I have a toddler too, almost 3. I did not travel with him when he was little because I was afraid of the hassle. No More! And he's been fine too every time he's flown. He's a pro by now! |
So, if your flight is delayed by 45 minutes by someone else's toddler refusing to sit down, which will require you to sit in your seat without using electronics, holding your baby and insisting that your 3 year-old sit buckled in his own seat, you won't be miffed. Even if it means missing connecting flights. And if anyone else is miffed, you'd suggest they just grow up. Because ensuring that one toddler and her family be on a particular flight is and should be of paramount importance, with no other factors to be taken into consideration.
Sorry. I think that the people who need to grow up are the kids' parents. I don't know where the line is, but at some point, if a toddler won't settle into her seat so she can be buckled in, everyone -- parent and airline -- has to think of other people, and agree to leave the plane. As I said, its not 5 minutes, or even 10. But at some point, the balance shifts to the other passengers. |
Even 5 or 10 minute delays can cause problems for other planes. I agree with what you wrote though.
It is hard being a parent; it means sacrifice. That might mean mom & dad need to fly in to see you or you don't get to see mom and dad for several years, or you have to figure out a better way of getting you and your family to someplace else.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 6:40 pm Post subject: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds tantru |
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| HR, airlines write in delays to their arrival time. Eg if the plane is expected to land at 10am, they write 10.20am. If there is a 20 minute delay, it will be on time. If the plane takes off on time, it will be early.
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Children are people too and sometimes need to get places. For example, we live in NYC. My DH's family lives elsewhere in the country and can't come to us for holidays because we have nowhere to put them (small NYC apartment). So if we don't take the kids on a plane, they aren't going to see grandparents and cousins. We don't do it for pleasure vacations (since we don't take those) and we don't do it more than twice a year (Pesach and RH). But should we not go visit family we rarely see because a kvetchy toddler and a baby might annoy some passengers? Come on. We do what we can (portable DVD player, coloring books, stickers, special snacks, a lot of davening before takeoff!) but still.
A toddler is a toddler and even people who hate toddlers were themselves toddlers once...and probably threw inconvenient public tantrums and embarrassed their parents and annoyed bystanders.
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| Fox wrote: |
I really think the thing that gets people riled up is when they feel -- rightly or wrongly -- that the parents aren't doing anything to prevent or curtail the problem. And not every casual bystander is a particularly good judge of what does or doesn't work when confronted by a serious, five-alarm meltdown. |
I totally agree. I was on an eleven hour flight coming back from Pesach vacation last year. A very young baby maybe a year old woke the whole plane up and the parents just let the baby cry. They were not trying to sooth the baby. I don't sleep well on planes anyway so I saw the whole thing and watched all the people wake up. My husband was going directly to work and my kids directly to school. They needed their sleep. These parents had no consideration for other people. It is their responsibility. The couple was a frum couple. Another frum lady (older) who was traveling with a large family herself offered to help with the baby and the mom said they just let the baby cry and eventually the baby will go back to sleep. That good samaritan and I were exchanging speaking glances. What about all the other people on the flight who were counting on the three more hours of sleep?
This was not a meltdown; but crying baby. Parenting philosophies should be adjusted for the circumstances.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| chatouli wrote: | Children are people too and sometimes need to get places. For example, we live in NYC. My DH's family lives elsewhere in the country and can't come to us for holidays because we have nowhere to put them (small NYC apartment). So if we don't take the kids on a plane, they aren't going to see grandparents and cousins. We don't do it for pleasure vacations (since we don't take those) and we don't do it more than twice a year (Pesach and RH). But should we not go visit family we rarely see because a kvetchy toddler and a baby might annoy some passengers? Come on. We do what we can (portable DVD player, coloring books, stickers, special snacks, a lot of davening before takeoff!) but still.
A toddler is a toddler and even people who hate toddlers were themselves toddlers once...and probably threw inconvenient public tantrums and embarrassed their parents and annoyed bystanders. |
Of course kids will misbehave.
But here's the way I think about it.
You take your toddler to the mall. You hope she behaves. If she does, great. If she doesn't, you try to calm her down and control the behavior. If that doesn't work, maybe you take her out of the store and into the mall or the parking lot and try again. But there comes a point where you have to say "this just isn't working today; I have to leave." Because while its reasonable to expect others to hear your child in tantrum mode for a short time, its not reasonable for an hour.
Well, here, toddlers will tantrum. And if it happens mid-flight, you can just do your best. But on the ground, and re a seat belt, you just have to understand that there comes a point when its no longer reasonable to expect that others accommodate and be inconvenienced by you.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 9:01 pm Post subject: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds tantru |
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| Seriously? Parents need to practice good parenting and general courteous behavior. Others should practice tolerance. It's ridiculous to expect people to refrain from bringing young children anywhere, unless it is someplace inherently unsuitable for them (ie a library, upscale restaurant, concert)- where silence or hushed voices are expected.
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| Barbara wrote: | | chatouli wrote: | Children are people too and sometimes need to get places. For example, we live in NYC. My DH's family lives elsewhere in the country and can't come to us for holidays because we have nowhere to put them (small NYC apartment). So if we don't take the kids on a plane, they aren't going to see grandparents and cousins. We don't do it for pleasure vacations (since we don't take those) and we don't do it more than twice a year (Pesach and RH). But should we not go visit family we rarely see because a kvetchy toddler and a baby might annoy some passengers? Come on. We do what we can (portable DVD player, coloring books, stickers, special snacks, a lot of davening before takeoff!) but still.
A toddler is a toddler and even people who hate toddlers were themselves toddlers once...and probably threw inconvenient public tantrums and embarrassed their parents and annoyed bystanders. |
Of course kids will misbehave.
But here's the way I think about it.
You take your toddler to the mall. You hope she behaves. If she does, great. If she doesn't, you try to calm her down and control the behavior. If that doesn't work, maybe you take her out of the store and into the mall or the parking lot and try again. But there comes a point where you have to say "this just isn't working today; I have to leave." Because while its reasonable to expect others to hear your child in tantrum mode for a short time, its not reasonable for an hour.
Well, here, toddlers will tantrum. And if it happens mid-flight, you can just do your best. But on the ground, and re a seat belt, you just have to understand that there comes a point when its no longer reasonable to expect that others accommodate and be inconvenienced by you. |
There's a lot we don't know about this particular situation. How long were they sitting on the plane before takeoff? How long did it take for them to get the little girl restrained? Was it an hour? Or was it 15 minutes and the flight attendant just hates kids? 15 minutes of my toddler tantruming sure feels like an hour  Also, we have to assume that this family, who seem to live in Boston, flew successfully to Turks & Caicos. So why should they anticipate that the flight home would be such a disaster? It is just unfortunate and I feel bad for them. JetBlue calling it a safety issue for the other passengers sounds like a load of hooey.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 10:17 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| chatouli wrote: | | Barbara wrote: | | chatouli wrote: | Children are people too and sometimes need to get places. For example, we live in NYC. My DH's family lives elsewhere in the country and can't come to us for holidays because we have nowhere to put them (small NYC apartment). So if we don't take the kids on a plane, they aren't going to see grandparents and cousins. We don't do it for pleasure vacations (since we don't take those) and we don't do it more than twice a year (Pesach and RH). But should we not go visit family we rarely see because a kvetchy toddler and a baby might annoy some passengers? Come on. We do what we can (portable DVD player, coloring books, stickers, special snacks, a lot of davening before takeoff!) but still.
A toddler is a toddler and even people who hate toddlers were themselves toddlers once...and probably threw inconvenient public tantrums and embarrassed their parents and annoyed bystanders. |
Of course kids will misbehave.
But here's the way I think about it.
You take your toddler to the mall. You hope she behaves. If she does, great. If she doesn't, you try to calm her down and control the behavior. If that doesn't work, maybe you take her out of the store and into the mall or the parking lot and try again. But there comes a point where you have to say "this just isn't working today; I have to leave." Because while its reasonable to expect others to hear your child in tantrum mode for a short time, its not reasonable for an hour.
Well, here, toddlers will tantrum. And if it happens mid-flight, you can just do your best. But on the ground, and re a seat belt, you just have to understand that there comes a point when its no longer reasonable to expect that others accommodate and be inconvenienced by you. |
There's a lot we don't know about this particular situation. How long were they sitting on the plane before takeoff? How long did it take for them to get the little girl restrained? Was it an hour? Or was it 15 minutes and the flight attendant just hates kids? 15 minutes of my toddler tantruming sure feels like an hour Also, we have to assume that this family, who seem to live in Boston, flew successfully to Turks & Caicos. So why should they anticipate that the flight home would be such a disaster? It is just unfortunate and I feel bad for them. JetBlue calling it a safety issue for the other passengers sounds like a load of hooey. |
From what I understand a fifteen minute delay will subject at least domestic airlines to a serious fine. Also, I don't believe one flight attendant who just hates kids has the authority to turn the plane around. That call must be made by the captain. Unless there is a collusion of kid hating employees of JetBlue, it appears the call was reasonable.
The good thing is that maybe some parents won't be so lax about getting their kids under control in the face of having to pay an additional two thousand dollars. You can bet this little girl's mother restrained her immediately on subsequent flight home.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 10:54 pm Post subject: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds tantru |
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If the airline was that concerned about delaying the flight, they wouldn't have caused additional delay by kicking the family off AFTER the child was seated and buckled.
Also, did I forget to mention that I think people in wheelchairs should not be allowed to ride public busses? I hate having to wait for the lift, and the wheelchairs takes up so much space in the bus. People in wheelchairs should just stick to private means of transportation, or not travel at all. Whatever.
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| MaBelleVie wrote: | If the airline was that concerned about delaying the flight, they wouldn't have caused additional delay by kicking the family off AFTER the child was seated and buckled.
Also, did I forget to mention that I think people in wheelchairs should not be allowed to ride public busses? I hate having to wait for the lift, and the wheelchairs takes up so much space in the bus. People in wheelchairs should just stick to private means of transportation, or not travel at all. Whatever. |
You are not very nice about your comments about handicapped people. Even in jest, they are in bad taste. I remember when they were instituting the kneeling buses and these were people's concerns.
By returning to the gate, the airline has control over ending the delay. After three hours, the fines are very steep. I think American Airlines got hit with a $900,000.00 fine one quarter for delays on the tarmac for more than three hours. Letting this incident continue would not be a career enhancer for the flight crew. Many more flights are cancelled then was originally predicted with this new rule inconveniencing passengers because airlines are not willing to push the three hour limit.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 11:23 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| Squishy wrote: | | MaBelleVie wrote: | If the airline was that concerned about delaying the flight, they wouldn't have caused additional delay by kicking the family off AFTER the child was seated and buckled.
Also, did I forget to mention that I think people in wheelchairs should not be allowed to ride public busses? I hate having to wait for the lift, and the wheelchairs takes up so much space in the bus. People in wheelchairs should just stick to private means of transportation, or not travel at all. Whatever. |
You are not very nice about your comments about handicapped people. Even in jest, they are in bad taste. I remember when they were instituting the kneeling buses and these were people's concerns.
By returning to the gate, the airline has control over ending the delay. After three hours, the fines are very steep. I think American Airlines got hit with a $900,000.00 fine one quarter for delays on the tarmac for more than three hours. Letting this incident continue would not be a career enhancer for the flight crew. Many more flights are cancelled then was originally predicted with this new rule inconveniencing passengers because airlines are not willing to push the three hour limit. |
When did it become ok to accommodate people with disabilities while discriminating against people with young children?
They returned to the gate for no reason. All passengers were complying with guidelines at that point. The delay was over, and the airline themselves extended it.
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| Posted: Tue, Mar 13 2012, 11:43 pm Post subject: Re: re: family kicked off flight because of a 2 year olds ta |
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| MaBelleVie wrote: | | Squishy wrote: | | MaBelleVie wrote: | If the airline was that concerned about delaying the flight, they wouldn't have caused additional delay by kicking the family off AFTER the child was seated and buckled.
Also, did I forget to mention that I think people in wheelchairs should not be allowed to ride public busses? I hate having to wait for the lift, and the wheelchairs takes up so much space in the bus. People in wheelchairs should just stick to private means of transportation, or not travel at all. Whatever. |
You are not very nice about your comments about handicapped people. Even in jest, they are in bad taste. I remember when they were instituting the kneeling buses and these were people's concerns.
By returning to the gate, the airline has control over ending the delay. After three hours, the fines are very steep. I think American Airlines got hit with a $900,000.00 fine one quarter for delays on the tarmac for more than three hours. Letting this incident continue would not be a career enhancer for the flight crew. Many more flights are cancelled then was originally predicted with this new rule inconveniencing passengers because airlines are not willing to push the three hour limit. |
When did it become ok to accommodate people with disabilities while discriminating against people with young children?
They returned to the gate for no reason. All passengers were complying with guidelines at that point. The delay was over, and the airline themselves extended it. |
Americans with Disabilities Act was signed into law in 1990 the legislation does not say it is Ok to accommodate those with disabilities. It says we MUST make reasonable accommodations. That is big difference.
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We were holding them down with all of our might, seat belt on. And I said, 'We have them seated. Can we go now?" Colette, a pediatrician, told Rhode Island's NBC 10. "[The flight attendant] said the pilot's made a decision to turn the plane around."
Federal aviation regulations require all passengers over 2-years-old to be buckled up in their seats, seated upright, with cell phones turned off before take-off.
"I don't know that I could blame JetBlue, to be totally fair," Colette told the local news affiliate.
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The pilot made the decision. There were two children involved. The three year old was also being affected by the two year old. The parents may not have been in the proper position for take-off. The pilot made the decision, not some child hating stewardess. Interestingly enough, the Mom does not blame the airline; and she was there.
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