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| TranquilityAndPeace wrote: | | I suppose her father was a kohen, and her mother wasn't Jewish. |
If her mother wasn't Jewish, I believe her father doesn't have the status as a cohen anymore... Which means that it would be impossible.
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 11:42 am Post subject: Re: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| Faigy86 wrote: | | TranquilityAndPeace wrote: | | I suppose her father was a kohen, and her mother wasn't Jewish. |
If her mother wasn't Jewish, I believe her father doesn't have the status as a cohen anymore... Which means that it would be impossible. |
thats what I thught too....also, if she is a giyores, it doesnt matter what her father is/was, because halachicly she is no longer related to him, right?
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 11:50 am Post subject: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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A non Jewish child born to a Jewish father is only related biologically. But the father is still a Cohen, and if he does teshuva he can go back to normal duties AFAIK
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:11 pm Post subject: Re: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| Ruchel wrote: | I'm a bat Kohen. There used to be a double amount of money on the ketuba. There are halachot for when there was (and IYH soon will be!!) the beis hamikdash. There are various inianim or advice or whatever, that a bat cohen marrying a cohen is ideal, then a levi, then a talmid chacham. Or that she shouldn't marry a not talmid chacham unless c'v one of them is brought to an early death  To go around this, (some?) rabbanim have decided if the chatan learns the kallah section he is considered a TC.
Some hold that Hashem has special involvement in the life of a Cohen or a bat Cohen. |
To explain that last piece- a bas kohen does have a special spiritual status being the daughter of a kohen, as such she should marry someone of similar spiritual status, whether by birth (Kohen or levi) or through their own hard work (talmid chacham). There is a definition of a talmid chacham- one who has learned through an entire masechta thoroughly. There is advice given to those who will be marrying a bas kohen to therefore study a masechta thoroughly and the shortest masechta is Maseches Kalla as that would qualify for the barest minimum of the technical term of Talmid Chacham.
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:15 pm Post subject: Re: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| Ruchel wrote: | | A non Jewish child born to a Jewish father is only related biologically. But the father is still a Cohen, and if he does teshuva he can go back to normal duties AFAIK |
I thought that if a cohen marries a non-jew, he loses his status, same as any other person that he marries that is forbidden to him. He is a chalal not a cohen and his children don't receive the cohen status.
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:19 pm Post subject: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| Unfortunately the chalal children of the Cohen have it even worse than just not being Cohen, the girls for example cannot marry a Cohen (as opposed to simply be Israel and fit for a Cohen).
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:20 pm Post subject: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| AFAIK, he is still a cohen but does not receive any privleges thaat cohanim get as long as he is married to a non-Jew/divorcee. His children will never be cohanim.
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:36 pm Post subject: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| Wait, so if a Cohen WAS married to a non-Jew but they get divorced and he's no longer married, then he gets his Cohen status back, or no?
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| esheschayil wrote: | | Wait, so if a Cohen WAS married to a non-Jew but they get divorced and he's no longer married, then he gets his Cohen status back, or no? |
I think he is still considered a challal. This came up with a giores I know who discovered her husband's father was a cohen only after years of marriage (husband is a BT and his father apparently didn't know) and quite a number of children. They were told it did not matter b/c the husband's father was previously married to a non-Jew and so his second marriage (to a Jew) he still had the status of a "challal" and the son doesn't become a cohen. (Clear as mud?)
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| Posted: Tue, Jan 31 2012, 1:03 pm Post subject: Re: re: BAT Cohen and ger |
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| chavamom wrote: | | esheschayil wrote: | | Wait, so if a Cohen WAS married to a non-Jew but they get divorced and he's no longer married, then he gets his Cohen status back, or no? |
I think he is still considered a challal. This came up with a giores I know who discovered her husband's father was a cohen only after years of marriage (husband is a BT and his father apparently didn't know) and quite a number of children. They were told it did not matter b/c the husband's father was previously married to a non-Jew and so his second marriage (to a Jew) he still had the status of a "challal" and the son doesn't become a cohen. (Clear as mud?) |
Could it be because he never did teshuva?
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