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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 12:40 pm Post subject: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert ideas |
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My youngest son is allergic to: corn, soy, nuts, peanuts, sesame, and mustard.
For milchig, it's fine to bake whatever with butter. But for parve desserts, I'm getting super bored of the three cakes/brownies that I know that use liquid oil (canola or olive) instead of margarine (which always has corn/soy or else is yucky-tasting like cottonseed oil for Pesach).
I found Spectrum Organic OU solid palm oil shortening, and it was fine in brownies, but I already had a brownies that worked with the oil and the shortening made cookie-bars taste yucky.
So, aside from my go-to cakes (banana, pumpkin, brownies) - do you have any suggestions for parve desserts that use oil instead of margarine? Or, did I just do something wrong with the shortening that the cookies tasted blah? He can have other standard ingredients like wheat flour, eggs, etc. (We do buy special Pesachdik baking powder to avoid cornstarch and spray oil to avoid soy lecithin).
Thanks!!
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Most cakes call for oil and not margarine and cookies are easy to substitute. What do you want to make? I am sure we can help you substitute if you have recipes you want to convert. _________________ Liba, mommy to Zlata Tova 5/6/98, Tziporah Faiga 1/12/01, Esther Rivka 7/13/04 and Avraham Chaim 7/2/2006
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Can you get choc chips that are not made on nut machinery?
If so here is my most popular and easiest dessert.
Its basically a big choc chip cookie (made with canola oil) that I bake in a springform pan. I put it on the plata and serve it warm and gooey.
My recipe is
2 eggs
3/4 c white sugar
3/4 c brown sugar
3/4 c oil
2 1/4 c flour (I use ww)
3/4 tsp baking powder
3/4 tsp baking soda
1 T vanilla
pinch of salt
bag of choc chips
Put it greased springform pan. Bake 20 min. Serve warm (I put on the plata when I serve the main course)
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| I always substitute margarine with coconut oil in my baking. I've never had a problem with taste or texture.
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Does parve richs whip and coffee creamer have any problems??
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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 1:43 pm Post subject: re: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert ide |
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Thanks so much!!
Ok, so yes, we can get the "Enjoy Life" chocolate chips, or Pesachdik (which aren't as good IME), and those are fine for him. As a side comment, we order the Enjoy Life chocolate chips in bulk, from a company called "Lucky Vitamin" - last month our delivery was stolen (!) from the porch and we figure someone saw the box and assumed it was drugs (?) and UPS investigated and the police found it ditched a few streets over, mostly intact. (Gee, couldn't they at least have returned it if they didn't want it...)
The cookie recipe sounds good, though I don't have a spring-form pan. I like the hot/gooey thing; (oops edit - I asked re shabbat and didn't notice you said to put it on the blech)
My mom also just sent me some other leads, like an apple cake and a Bourbon cake. I've never actually gotten Bourbon, and don't really know what it is (does it come from corn? is it hechshered?)
I like the idea of the coconut oil. I actually bought a jar of that, and it kind of sat around until it went bad, because I didn't really know what to do with it. But I like the taste of coconut, and no one's allergic to it in my family. I even searched out finding cocoa butter to buy as a shortening, but couldn't find it hechshered, pure, and for cooking, which is how I ended up finding the palm oil shortening. (I wonder if either the coconut oil or the palm oil would be hechshered for Pesach when the time comes; I don't see why they couldn't but I doubt there's enough market.)
Unfortunately, the Rich's and similar are all soy-based and many have corn derivatives as well. My mom also suggested moving toward less fat-based desserts e.g. in the summer, doing cold fruit soups, which naturally is healthier too. But maybe not as yummy as a brownie!
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We make all kinds of cookies without margarine -- usually using 3/4 oil in place of 1 cup margarine. _________________ Want to lose weight fast? Want to keep it off easily?
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You want a good brownie recipe? That I can help with. I have never made brownies with anything but oil.
Fudgy Brownies
1 cup cocoa
1/2 tsp baking soda
2/3 cup canola oil
1/2 c boiling water
1 tsp vanilla
2 c sugar
2 eggs
1 1/3 flour
1/4 tsp salt
stir cocoa and baking soda in mixing bowl. Blend in oil. Add boiling water, stir until mixture thickens. Stir in eggs, sugar. Stir until smooth. Add flour, vanilla, and salt. Blend completely. Pout into parchment paper lined 9x13 pan. Bake at 350 for 40 minutes.
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| Also, the Hershey's chocolate cake (best chocolate cake in my opinion) uses oil not margarine. It does called for a pareve milk of some sort, but you should be able to use rice dream or coconut milk.
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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 2:57 pm Post subject: Re: re: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert |
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| unihockey wrote: | Thanks so much!!
Ok, so yes, we can get the "Enjoy Life" chocolate chips, or Pesachdik (which aren't as good IME), and those are fine for him. As a side comment, we order the Enjoy Life chocolate chips in bulk, from a company called "Lucky Vitamin" - last month our delivery was stolen (!) from the porch and we figure someone saw the box and assumed it was drugs (?) and UPS investigated and the police found it ditched a few streets over, mostly intact. (Gee, couldn't they at least have returned it if they didn't want it...)
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We LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the enjoy life chocolate chunks. I was at a gluten free food show and they were distributing samples...omg, our entire family kept going back for more. (We liked em better than the mini chips).
I'm not sure that this product is appropriate for you guys but earth balance makes a soy free, nut free, margarine: http://www.earthbalancenatural.com/#/products/soy-free/
Also, spice islands makes a corn free vanilla year round (not sure if you need vanilla, but I remember when we were trying to see if DD was corn intolerant that most non-pesach vanilla's were OUT.)
Other ideas:
sponge/angel food cakes do not require margarine. They are great drizzled with homemade strawberry sauce (basically strawberries and sugar in a pan and reduced).
Other thoughts: banana chocolate chip muffins, zuchini bread, basically any quick bread usually uses only oil (instead of margarine).
Here's my Zucchini Bread *omit the nuts. we tend to not bake with nuts, but that's due to temper tantrums on DC's account rather than allergies
4 c. shredded zucchini
3 c. all purpose flour
2½ c. sugar
1¼ c. vegetable oil – reduce to 1 c
4 eggs beaten – extra large
1 T plus 1 tsp vanilla
1 T cinnamon
1½ tsp salt
1½ tsp baking soda
½ tsp baking powder
1 c. walnuts
Preheat 325.
Grease well 2 9x5x3 loaf pans
Blend all ingredients low speed 1 minute
Medium speed 1 minute
Bake 50 minutes to 1 hour – check with toothpick. I do one hour plus 10 minutes to bake thru.
Cool 10 minutes – remove from pan.
Do not wrap – cool unwrapped.
Finally, some other thoughts include making: chocolate mousse cake (I don't have my recipe on this comp, but feel free to PM me later today), coconut macaroons (if you can get uncontaminated coconut), and lastly, chocolate chip cookies made with oil instead of margarine:
Margarine free chocolate chip cookies
2 eggs
3/4 cup sugar
3/4 cup dark brown sugar, packed
3/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons vegetable oil (DONT USE OLIVE OIL)
1 tablespoon vanilla
2 1/2 cups flour
3/4 teaspoon baking powder
3/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/8 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 cups best-quality chocolate chips, the smaller the better
Preparation:
1. Preheat the oven to 375 degrees Fahrenheit.
2. Using an electric mixer, beat the eggs and sugars together until light and fluffy. Add the oil and vanilla and mix in thoroughly. Add the flour, baking soda, baking powder and salt and mix at low speed. Fold in the chips by hand.
3. Drop the dough by heaping teaspoonfuls 1 inch apart onto cookie sheets lined with parchment paper. Bake only one tray at a time. If your cookie sheets are the professional heavy-gauge type, bake the cookies for 10 minutes. If they are lighter, bake for 8 minutes. The cookies will firm up as they cool, so do not be tempted to bake them longer or they will harden.
4. Store the cookies in tin boxes, separating each layer with foil or wax paper so they don't stick.
YIELDS: 4 dozen cookies
Does this help?
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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: re: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert |
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First, that's my same brownie recipe! And, I do love the Hershey's cake too. I usually use water or almond milk or rice milk as the liquid, if making parve. My grandmother z"l actually did some of the original research for General Foods about which liquid makes a cake taste most chocolatey, and she would always tell me it was water. But, for milchig, I like the texture and (ha ha) nutritional boost from milk.
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We LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE the enjoy life chocolate chunks. I was at a gluten free food show and they were distributing samples...omg, our entire family kept going back for more. (We liked em better than the mini chips).
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They are good! They are really chocolate-y. I do find that buying in bulk, it is cheaper, but I have to really watch to use them before they get old.
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I'm not sure that this product is appropriate for you guys but earth balance makes a soy free, nut free, margarine: http://www.earthbalancenatural.com/#/products/soy-free/
Also, spice islands makes a corn free vanilla year round (not sure if you need vanilla, but I remember when we were trying to see if DD was corn intolerant that most non-pesach vanilla's were OUT.)
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I was so excited about the earthbalance, but I just checked and it seems they have some corn-derived flavorings. I will also check the spectrum brand butter-flavored shortening as well.
Yes, I've seen a couple of corn-free vanilla extracts, but they are hard to find (and pricey). The best combination I've found of price/taste/availability so far has been the Trader Joe's brand. I think I also got the Spice Islands one a couple of times.
| cbsmommy wrote: |
Other ideas:
sponge/angel food cakes do not require margarine. They are great drizzled with homemade strawberry sauce (basically strawberries and sugar in a pan and reduced).
Other thoughts: banana chocolate chip muffins, zuchini bread, basically any quick bread usually uses only oil (instead of margarine).
Here's my Zucchini Bread *omit the nuts. we tend to not bake with nuts, but that's due to temper tantrums on DC's account rather than allergies
4 c. shredded zucchini
3 c. all purpose flour
2½ c. sugar
1¼ c. vegetable oil – reduce to 1 c
4 eggs beaten – extra large
1 T plus 1 tsp vanilla
1 T cinnamon
1½ tsp salt
1½ tsp baking soda
½ tsp baking powder
1 c. walnuts
Preheat 325.
Grease well 2 9x5x3 loaf pans
Blend all ingredients low speed 1 minute
Medium speed 1 minute
Bake 50 minutes to 1 hour – check with toothpick. I do one hour plus 10 minutes to bake thru.
Cool 10 minutes – remove from pan.
Do not wrap – cool unwrapped.
Finally, some other thoughts include making: chocolate mousse cake (I don't have my recipe on this comp, but feel free to PM me later today), coconut macaroons (if you can get uncontaminated coconut), and lastly, chocolate chip cookies made with oil instead of margarine:
Margarine free chocolate chip cookies
2 eggs
3/4 cup sugar
3/4 cup dark brown sugar, packed
3/4 cup plus 2 tablespoons vegetable oil (DONT USE OLIVE OIL)
1 tablespoon vanilla
2 1/2 cups flour
3/4 teaspoon baking powder
3/4 teaspoon baking soda
1/8 teaspoon salt
1 1/2 cups best-quality chocolate chips, the smaller the better
Preparation:
1. Preheat the oven to 375 degrees Fahrenheit.
2. Using an electric mixer, beat the eggs and sugars together until light and fluffy. Add the oil and vanilla and mix in thoroughly. Add the flour, baking soda, baking powder and salt and mix at low speed. Fold in the chips by hand.
3. Drop the dough by heaping teaspoonfuls 1 inch apart onto cookie sheets lined with parchment paper. Bake only one tray at a time. If your cookie sheets are the professional heavy-gauge type, bake the cookies for 10 minutes. If they are lighter, bake for 8 minutes. The cookies will firm up as they cool, so do not be tempted to bake them longer or they will harden.
4. Store the cookies in tin boxes, separating each layer with foil or wax paper so they don't stick.
YIELDS: 4 dozen cookies
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Definitely! Thank you so much.
BTW I emailed my mom re Bourbon after I googled that it was 51% corn mash or some such, and she said that if I could find hechshered Cointreau, that could work for her cake too. So I think I'm set for a while!
--Unihockey
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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 4:29 pm Post subject: re: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert ide |
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Would you like recipes for pound cake, marble cake, honey cake, chocolate chip cookies, crinkle zebra cookies, sugar cookies, cinnamon swirl cake, etc?
We are also soy free. You can use cream of coconut to make whipped cream for strawberry shortcake or anything else.
Apple sauce, baked apples, poached pears, ice cream (made from raw eggs which are washed with soapy water and then dried before cracking), sorbet, apple betty pie, fruit crumbles.
I have a great pastry dough made with oil.
You can use cookie cutters to cut out pretty round portions of cake, drizzle plate with a berry coulis, and garnish the cake with fresh berries. _________________ Really Awesome Mom!
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| ra_mom wrote: | Would you like recipes for pound cake, marble cake, honey cake, chocolate chip cookies, crinkle zebra cookies, sugar cookies, cinnamon swirl cake, etc?
We are also soy free. You can use cream of coconut to make whipped cream for strawberry shortcake or anything else.
Apple sauce, baked apples, poached pears, ice cream (made from raw eggs which are washed with soapy water and then dried before cracking), sorbet, apple betty pie, fruit crumbles.
I have a great pastry dough made with oil.
You can use cookie cutters to cut out pretty round portions of cake, drizzle plate with a berry coulis, and garnish the cake with fresh berries. |
I would love recipes for crinkle zebra cookies and cinnamon swirl cake, and also more info on the coconut whipped cream. And tell me please also about the pastry dough with oil?? I had just gotten used to the idea that we'll just only have pie crusts milchig from now on. For fruit crumbles, I just like the butter/brown-sugar taste so much that I am kind of in disbelief that it could taste as good with oil.
Now as for the ice cream - does the outside part have all the salmonella risk? I thought it was the whole thing, or at least I've been really hesitant about any raw eggs at all for years now. I loved chocolate mousse as a kid but now am really hesitant about it.
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Posted: Sun, Jan 08 2012, 4:42 pm Post subject: Re: re: son allergic to corn, soy, nuts - need parve dessert |
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They are good! They are really chocolate-y. I do find that buying in bulk, it is cheaper, but I have to really watch to use them before they get old.
I was so excited about the earthbalance, but I just checked and it seems they have some corn-derived flavorings. I will also check the spectrum brand butter-flavored shortening as well.
Yes, I've seen a couple of corn-free vanilla extracts, but they are hard to find (and pricey). The best combination I've found of price/taste/availability so far has been the Trader Joe's brand. I think I also got the Spice Islands one a couple of times.
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I have a deep freezer. I buy in bulk (I <3 AMAZON!) and then store everything in the deep freezer. Chocolate chunks never get old when they've been deep frozen! Before I bake, I either take out the chocolate chunks for 10 minutes, or I just add them to the dough while frozen.
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Now as for the ice cream - does the outside part have all the salmonella risk? I thought it was the whole thing, or at least I've been really hesitant about any raw eggs at all for years now. I loved chocolate mousse as a kid but now am really hesitant about it.
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Most of the salmonella risk is the outside of the eggs, but not all.
I buy pasterized eggs at a local grocery: http://www.safeeggs.com/
Are they more expensive? Yes. Are they cheaper than getting sick? DEFINITELY!
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| cbsmommy wrote: | | unihockey wrote: |
They are good! They are really chocolate-y. I do find that buying in bulk, it is cheaper, but I have to really watch to use them before they get old.
I was so excited about the earthbalance, but I just checked and it seems they have some corn-derived flavorings. I will also check the spectrum brand butter-flavored shortening as well.
Yes, I've seen a couple of corn-free vanilla extracts, but they are hard to find (and pricey). The best combination I've found of price/taste/availability so far has been the Trader Joe's brand. I think I also got the Spice Islands one a couple of times.
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I have a deep freezer. I buy in bulk (I <3 AMAZON!) and then store everything in the deep freezer. Chocolate chunks never get old when they've been deep frozen! Before I bake, I either take out the chocolate chunks for 10 minutes, or I just add them to the dough while frozen. |
I would totally do that if we had a chest freezer. We have a tenant in our basement (converted to a legal apartment), related to the "how the heck do people afford day school tuition" thread that I mean to ask one of these days and so there's no room for a separate freezer and we're making do with a normal fridge-freezer combo. As a matter of fact, there was supposed to be someone coming by today to see about a slight modification to the unit so we could have room for a freezer on our side. Ok, far afield of "allergies" at this point, but I would also love a bit more storage for cases of Kedem grape juice when it goes on sale 2x/year at the grocery store.
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| unihockey wrote: | | ra_mom wrote: | Would you like recipes for pound cake, marble cake, honey cake, chocolate chip cookies, crinkle zebra cookies, sugar cookies, cinnamon swirl cake, etc?
We are also soy free. You can use cream of coconut to make whipped cream for strawberry shortcake or anything else.
Apple sauce, baked apples, poached pears, ice cream (made from raw eggs which are washed with soapy water and then dried before cracking), sorbet, apple betty pie, fruit crumbles.
I have a great pastry dough made with oil.
You can use cookie cutters to cut out pretty round portions of cake, drizzle plate with a berry coulis, and garnish the cake with fresh berries. |
I would love recipes for crinkle zebra cookies and cinnamon swirl cake, and also more info on the coconut whipped cream. And tell me please also about the pastry dough with oil?? I had just gotten used to the idea that we'll just only have pie crusts milchig from now on. For fruit crumbles, I just like the butter/brown-sugar taste so much that I am kind of in disbelief that it could taste as good with oil.
Now as for the ice cream - does the outside part have all the salmonella risk? I thought it was the whole thing, or at least I've been really hesitant about any raw eggs at all for years now. I loved chocolate mousse as a kid but now am really hesitant about it.
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Crinkle Zebra Cookies
http://imamother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=124567&highlight=zebra+cookies
To make your own corn free confectioner's sugar:
combine 1 cup minus 1 Tbsp sugar, with 1 Tbsp tapioca starch or potato starch. Pulse in food processor or blender.
Cinnamon Swirl Cake
3 cups flour
2 cups sugar
1 cup oil
1 cup orange juice
2 tsp vanilla
3 tsps baking powder
1/2 tsp salt
4 eggs
1/3 cup sugar
2 Tbsp cinnamon
Combine all cake ingredients to form batter. Combine sugar and cinnamon separately.
Pour 1/3 of the batter in a greased 9x13 pan or into two 8x8 pans. Sprinkle half the cinnamon/sugar mixture onto batter.
Pour 1/3 more batter over cinnamon. Spread remaining cinnamon mixture. Cover with remaining batter.
Swirl cake.
Bake at 350 degrees for 50-60 minutes.
Coconut Whipped Cream
http://www.joyofkosher.com/recipe/coconut-whipped-cream/
you can use Coconut Dream coconut 'milk" instead of the soy
or you can do a search, there are so many variations of coconut whipped cream
Pastry Dough
http://imamother.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=165814&highlight=pastry+dough
Ice Cream - the contamination comes when the egg is cracked, and it transfers to the egg itself. When I was on a raw diet for health reasons, the MD nutritionist taught me to wash eggs in warm soapy water and drying them well before cracking them for raw use. I probably wouldn't serve them to someone who is immuno-compromised though.
Let me know if you're interested.
You can also stock up on frozen whipped topping Pesach time like we do sometimes. Soy and corn free. Junky like all whipped topping, but safe for your son.
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