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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 3:42 am    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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Please, if you're not going to medicate your child, at least don't leave your child to struggle- use natural remedies like omega 3, cutting out msg and artificial food colorings and flavorings, and cutting out sugar, etc... All these stuff can help, and you may find a gluten free, dairy free diet helps as well. But don't just say "No meds" and leave it at that. You have to do something for the sake of your child's self esteem and future


easy to say but I tried everything natural without much success
I am not ready to go to ritalin though it's very tempting
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 3:54 am    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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Please, if you're not going to medicate your child, at least don't leave your child to struggle- use natural remedies like omega 3, cutting out msg and artificial food colorings and flavorings, and cutting out sugar, etc... All these stuff can help, and you may find a gluten free, dairy free diet helps as well. But don't just say "No meds" and leave it at that. You have to do something for the sake of your child's self esteem and future


easy to say but I tried everything natural without much success
I am not ready to go to ritalin though it's very tempting
Everything? You did go gluten free/casein free? There's also a diet to get rid of excitotoxins that might help.
http://curezone.com/art/read.asp?ID=52&db=6&C0=17

But seriously, if natural remedies arent working and you arent ready to give ritalin, what ARE you willing to do? Send your kid to a school for kids with ADD/HD? Homeschool? Because leaving your kid in a setting where he/she can't learn, and will just be labeled "troublemaker" is a really bad idea, I have to say.

Does your kid have any sensory issues? Is it something that can be worked out with an OT?
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 4:00 am    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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My DH is concerned that these are just "performance enhancing drugs" -- he points to how they are illegally taken by some college kids without ADHD so they can ace exams. His view is that lots of people have ADD-sounding personalities and that you are just supposed to do what you can with it...maybe improve yourself by the struggle? I'm not doing justice to his thinking here, I guess this is what it sounds like to me... It makes me feel guilty about considering meds, even for "labeling" this as a disorder at all...

I can see your dh's perspective. I do think people often misunderstand ADD drugs. The idea that they only work on people with ADD is a myth, they really would improve academic performance for the majority of non-ADD people as well.

I think you have to look at how well you/your child can function with or without them. Is your child more or less at grade level, are they extremely frustrated with their inability to focus or does it not particularly bother them, are they able to interact more or less appropriately and make friends or not, etc. Are you able to hold down a job, could you continue your education in some form even if not in a full-time school setting, is your house/life so disorganized as to pose a real problem or is it just a bit messier than average, etc.

For me, someone who does poorly in full-time school but can still have friends and hold down a job and learn on their own terms is more of an "ADD personality," while someone who can't hold down a job and has problems socially due to lack of focus has a disorder. But each person has to draw their own lines.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 4:14 am    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
OP again.

Ora, I totally get what you're saying and also have been thinking this way-- the problem is where do you draw the line? And if you are definitely OVER the line -- as me and DD absolutely are-- but somehow just haven't tried hard enough? ( I don't mean DD trying, I mean me trying to do everything in the world to "fix" things for her--which I can't do because I also am in the same boat.) For example, I, as the parent, am supposed to be her organizer person-- her time, her homework, her bag... to provide "structure." And after almost 40 years of not being able to provide my own structure...?! Do the (supposed) "ADD success" people (like DH) just try harder to overcome their problems, and I am lazy? Or do they just not have it as bad?
I usually feel like EVERYTHING practical in life is harder for me than everyone else I see... but maybe that is just me being lazy, and it is hard for everyone but they just step up and do it?
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 4:21 am    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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Ora, I totally get what you're saying and also have been thinking this way-- the problem is where do you draw the line? And if you are definitely OVER the line -- as me and DD absolutely are-- but somehow just haven't tried hard enough? ( I don't mean DD trying, I mean me trying to do everything in the world to "fix" things for her--which I can't do because I also am in the same boat.) For example, I, as the parent, am supposed to be her organizer person-- her time, her homework, her bag... to provide "structure." And after almost 40 years of not being able to provide my own structure...?! Do the (supposed) "ADD success" people (like DH) just try harder to overcome their problems, and I am lazy? Or do they just not have it as bad?
I usually feel like EVERYTHING practical in life is harder for me than everyone else I see... but maybe that is just me being lazy, and it is hard for everyone but they just step up and do it?


You can both be helped to learn these skills. These are skills that can be learned. There are professionals who can help you learn these skills. Please seek one out, for both of you!
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 6:44 am    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
ora_43 wrote:
I think you have to look at how well you/your child can function with or without them. Is your child more or less at grade level, are they extremely frustrated with their inability to focus or does it not particularly bother them, are they able to interact more or less appropriately and make friends or not, etc. Are you able to hold down a job, could you continue your education in some form even if not in a full-time school setting, is your house/life so disorganized as to pose a real problem or is it just a bit messier than average, etc.

For me, someone who does poorly in full-time school but can still have friends and hold down a job and learn on their own terms is more of an "ADD personality," while someone who can't hold down a job and has problems socially due to lack of focus has a disorder. But each person has to draw their own lines.
yes, the "ADD personality" describes my dd - I guess that's why we were able to forgo any drug-intervention.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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has problems socially...

What social problems are typically associated with ADD/ADHD? (asking b/c wondering if we fit the pattern)
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 12:14 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
amother wrote:
ora_43 wrote:
has problems socially...

What social problems are typically associated with ADD/ADHD? (asking b/c wondering if we fit the pattern)


Reading social cues, non-verbal communication such as facial expression, tone of voice, other body language such as posture and gestures, personal space...
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
5*Mom wrote:
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ora_43 wrote:
has problems socially...

What social problems are typically associated with ADD/ADHD? (asking b/c wondering if we fit the pattern)


Reading social cues, non-verbal communication such as facial expression, tone of voice, other body language such as posture and gestures, personal space...


does Ritalin or other medicine help for social issues?
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 4:12 pm    Post subject:
 
Stimulant medication can slow down the brain enough to notice the cues. Education must then be done to teach about them. Individual counseling and social skills groups are helpful.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 19 2011, 4:19 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
amother wrote:
OP again.

Ora, I totally get what you're saying and also have been thinking this way-- the problem is where do you draw the line? And if you are definitely OVER the line -- as me and DD absolutely are-- but somehow just haven't tried hard enough? ( I don't mean DD trying, I mean me trying to do everything in the world to "fix" things for her--which I can't do because I also am in the same boat.) For example, I, as the parent, am supposed to be her organizer person-- her time, her homework, her bag... to provide "structure." And after almost 40 years of not being able to provide my own structure...?! Do the (supposed) "ADD success" people (like DH) just try harder to overcome their problems, and I am lazy? Or do they just not have it as bad?
I usually feel like EVERYTHING practical in life is harder for me than everyone else I see... but maybe that is just me being lazy, and it is hard for everyone but they just step up and do it?


I grew up like this.
Very unstructured home as a probable ADD kid and my issues have always been the most mild in my family. It caused a lot of problems in school and compensating for them has been extremely difficult because the organized and time management issues are not something I was taught and they are not inborn. I am also not succeeding and have always scored a lot lower than my abilities. I finally met someone with similar issues to mine and stopped blaming myself, I am not hyper just super distracted. I was tested as a kid and was "fine" the definition for what is ADD has changed a lot in the past 10 years and often looks completely different in girls than in boys.

I personally do think trying treatment is worthwhile because it really isn't a long term commitment. If it isn't working for you and your child you can always stop. Just because you decide to try medicating doesn't mean you need to keep medicating. It isn't an all or nothing situation.
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PostPosted: Tue, Dec 20 2011, 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
amother wrote:
OP again.

Ora, I totally get what you're saying and also have been thinking this way-- the problem is where do you draw the line? And if you are definitely OVER the line -- as me and DD absolutely are-- but somehow just haven't tried hard enough? ( I don't mean DD trying, I mean me trying to do everything in the world to "fix" things for her--which I can't do because I also am in the same boat.) For example, I, as the parent, am supposed to be her organizer person-- her time, her homework, her bag... to provide "structure." And after almost 40 years of not being able to provide my own structure...?! Do the (supposed) "ADD success" people (like DH) just try harder to overcome their problems, and I am lazy? Or do they just not have it as bad?
I usually feel like EVERYTHING practical in life is harder for me than everyone else I see... but maybe that is just me being lazy, and it is hard for everyone but they just step up and do it?

I think there are three main potential problems with performance enhancing drugs in general:

1. Health risks
2. Relying on the drug to the point where it replaces learned skills or effort
3. Upping the bar for everyone else (eg if 20% of the class takes a drug that brings them above the average, then the new bottom 20% will also feel pressure to do the same, etc... )

Once you're "over the line":
1. The potential health risks are outweighed by the potential health risks of not taking the drug (eg self medicating, depression, just plain taking poor care of oneself/one's children due to poor organizing skills)

3. You won't be upping the bar, just giving yourself/your child a chance to be (academically, etc) average.

As for #2, you can make sure that doesn't happen by using drugs along with therapy not alone, and by continuing to work hard.
(the above is also guidelines for defining "the line" for yourself, just IMHO)

And all that is assuming that ritalin and the like are solely "performance enhancing," and not necessary medication.
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PostPosted: Mon, Mar 19 2012, 11:39 pm    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
How about Synaptol?
I wanna start giving this to my son. Does anyone have any experience with this natural relief?

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PostPosted: Mon, Apr 02 2012, 12:15 pm    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
My first time on here....

I have an ADHD kid who is totally out of control when not on medication. She is 11. Medication has made all the difference. Her grades went from D's and F's up to A's and B's. She is a hyperactive nutcase when not on it and she refuses to take it on non school days (I'm dreading the seder--I think I will have to heavily bribe or threaten her). When not on meds she is defiant to an extreme and she dominates the conversation with all types of inappropriate topics.

The primary feature of her ADHD is extreme impulsivity. In my opinion she has potential for all kinds of risky behaviors because she doesn't give a half a second of thought to any activity. The medication (ritalin) is short-acting and out of her system fairly quickly which makes evenings a real challenge. (She takes concerta which is extended-release ritalin) To me the potential risks, which as I understand it are fairly limited, far outweigh benefits, ie the risky behaviors.

I have to add that she is really an amazing person -- so many of her middos could be beneficial if used for the good. She is tenacious, she takes initiative, she is energetic, and daring. Potentially a real go-getter. I think the chances that she *will* use these middos for positives in the world are non-existent without that medication.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 17 2012, 12:47 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
5*Mom wrote:
amother wrote:
ora_43 wrote:
has problems socially...

What social problems are typically associated with ADD/ADHD? (asking b/c wondering if we fit the pattern)


Reading social cues, non-verbal communication such as facial expression, tone of voice, other body language such as posture and gestures, personal space...


I just saw this post and wanted to cry. My ds has just been diagnosed with adhd and all the things above, he has problems with. I didn't know that adhd could be the cause.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 17 2012, 1:03 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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As someone who grew up with parents refusing to medicate my adhd I always felt stupid. The first time I ever felt confident was when I was 18 and had enough and started taking medicine. For me the difference was night and day. I would not have had the success I had in college without it. When I started to try to get pregnant I stopped taking the medication and I now regret living for so many years without it. While everyday I feel the difference without the medication had I not known the difference and what I am capable of my life would be completely different.


THIS.

there were no drugs when I was young, I desperately wish there were because I'd have still known I was smart, instead of stupid and useless.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 17 2012, 9:02 pm    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
I just started a computer program with my son, and hoping that will help. It is supposed to help with concentration and memory. I also give him a vitamin called pharmanac that's beside the medications he's on which is intuniv and abilify. He also wears. Proprieceptive vest. He has changed drastically, not sure which thing worked... All these things where after he was on meds already. He's also in a small contained cheder.
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PostPosted: Mon, Dec 17 2012, 9:59 pm    Post subject: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
My husband is a special ed teacher. He had a student whose parents refused to medicate for ADHD. It would generally take the child about a week to complete a worksheet. He was a social outcast because he was so impulsive.

One day, the child went through 5 worksheets in one day! My husband called the parents and they admitted that they were "trying out" an ADD medication. For 2 weeks, he saw a different child. He was achieving academically and interacting much better with the other kids in class.

On the first day of the third week, the child was acting out and could not complete even half of one worksheet. My husband again called the parents and they said that they were concerned about side effects and were trying to go with vitamins and supplements instead. The child continued to fail and ended up being transferred to a "more special ed" program.

Personally, I suffered from ADHD as well, but when I was young it did not exist. I, too, was a social outcast and always in trouble. My self esteem was non-existent because I desperately wanted to behave but no matter how hard I tried I could not. I was very smart but did not get good grades because I could not focus. I was just a "bad kid" who teachers dreaded having in their class.

When my son was diagnosed with ADHD, I gladly put him on medication and it has made all the difference. He ended up being shorter than his siblings, but has the self confidence to overcome that. I don't regret the choice for a minute and only wish that I could have had an opportunity to take these medications when I was young.

Please, parents. When you consider giving medication to your children, try to see it from the child's perspective. Imaging trying your hardest every day and never succeeding. Imagine wanting to be part of the crowd, but being ignored or rebuffed constantly because no one wants to play with you. Look at the side effects not only of the medication, but of the ADHD itself and make an honest assessment of which is worse.

As an ADHD sufferer, I will tell you that it is torture.
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PostPosted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:30 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
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I just started a computer program with my son, and hoping that will help. It is supposed to help with concentration and memory. I also give him a vitamin called pharmanac that's beside the medications he's on which is intuniv and abilify. He also wears. Proprieceptive vest. He has changed drastically, not sure which thing worked... All these things where after he was on meds already. He's also in a small contained cheder.


The program sounds amazing.... If anyone needs more ino I can supply that. There is a discount ending tonight. Original price is 320 dollars for 6 month and is now 180 dollars. It's really amazing
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PostPosted: Sun, Dec 23 2012, 11:47 pm    Post subject: Re: re: ADHD: do you medicate?
 
amother wrote:
amother wrote:
I just started a computer program with my son, and hoping that will help. It is supposed to help with concentration and memory. I also give him a vitamin called pharmanac that's beside the medications he's on which is intuniv and abilify. He also wears. Proprieceptive vest. He has changed drastically, not sure which thing worked... All these things where after he was on meds already. He's also in a small contained cheder.


The program sounds amazing.... If anyone needs more ino I can supply that. There is a discount ending tonight. Original price is 320 dollars for 6 month and is now 180 dollars. It's really amazing

what is this program called? how does it work?
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