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| Many people say CY is halachah and not a chumra. If that is true, why do some dairy foods like milk, chocolate, and ice cream that are not CY but CS have the OU symbol? Is OU not to be trusted or is it really just chumra in the USA?
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 04 2011, 5:32 pm Post subject: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it.
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 04 2011, 5:39 pm Post subject: Re: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
Lindt 80% is delicious but sometimes milk chocolate is needed. 
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| Because it is not a halacha, it is a chumra.
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| small bean wrote: | | Because it is not a halacha, it is a chumra. |
This. Although is a thread a few down where people state it is not a chumra at all.
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| small bean wrote: | | Because it is not a halacha, it is a chumra. |
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 04 2011, 10:10 pm Post subject: Re: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
although I never checked the ingredients myself, you should know that the OU doesn't have a dairy equipment designation and therefore things that are DE they just label OUD (like oreos.) you can enquire with the OU to make sure it's actually DE, and then you can enjoy them whenever you would like 
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Many hold that it is indeed a halacha not a chumra, and that to eat cholov stam is a heter (based on secular law) rather than a kulah.
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 04 2011, 10:12 pm Post subject: Re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| amother wrote: | | Many people say CY is halachah and not a chumra. If that is true, why do some dairy foods like milk, chocolate, and ice cream that are not CY but CS have the OU symbol? Is OU not to be trusted or is it really just chumra in the USA? |
well you know that OU is mostly MO and you know that that means they are pretty much conservative, no
 
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although I never checked the ingredients myself, you should know that the OU doesn't have a dairy equipment designation and therefore things that are DE they just label OUD (like oreos.) you can enquire with the OU to make sure it's actually DE, and then you can enjoy them whenever you would like |
According to our local Kashrus agency if the product packaging doesn't say may contain traces of milk then it's DE. Makes sense.
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| OOTBubby wrote: | | Many hold that it is indeed a halacha not a chumra, and that to eat cholov stam is a heter (based on secular law) rather than a kulah. |
But that would mean in answer to the OP's question they are saying the OU is acting outside of halachah.
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| Posted: Sun, Dec 04 2011, 10:14 pm Post subject: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| I think it is more accurate to say that in the US there's a heter from R' Moshe Feinstein zt"l allowing chalav stam because of the USDA standards that guarantee that it's only cow's milk. Therefore in the US it is a chumra. Chalav Akum is always treif--that's halacha. However there's a debate whether or not we can still rely on R' Moshe's heter because Chalav Yisrael is very available in a lot of places, so many people are machmir.
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| imamiri wrote: | | OOTBubby wrote: | | Many hold that it is indeed a halacha not a chumra, and that to eat cholov stam is a heter (based on secular law) rather than a kulah. |
But that would mean in answer to the OP's question they are saying the OU is acting outside of halachah. |
No, it means that the OU is obviously either among those who hold that it is not halacha or that they want to provide these items for those that want to eat it b'heter (notably, per a recent statement by Rav Yisroel Belsky, for those in places where CY is not readily available).
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| BTW, there was a recent conference of the Council of Kashrus Agencies (I don't recall their exact name, but all of the major and minor organizations in the US participate in it) in which the Nirbater Rav (who is the machshir of the "Lamers" brand Cholov Yisroel produced in Chicago for much of the middle of the US) spoke claiming that nowadays cholov stam equals cholov treif -- that due to the veterinary procedures cows undergo, enough per herd are treif to invalidate the cholov stam heter (CY dairies remove these cows). It was in response to his speech that Rav Belsky made the statement I mentioned above.
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 05 2011, 11:14 am Post subject: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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My husband's very charedi ruv, a kashrus gadol with a specialization on dairy (to each their interests ), allows CS for those whose minhag allow it.
So do all European rabbinates.
I guess we all eat treif LOL.
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 05 2011, 11:25 am Post subject: Re: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
most dark chocolate is produced on dairy equipment.  very annoying.
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 05 2011, 12:31 pm Post subject: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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So don't put it on your chicken sandwich!
I ate Oreos for dessert once of a fleishig meal. I felt so scandalized!
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| Raisin wrote: | | ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
most dark chocolate is produced on dairy equipment. very annoying. |
In the US, most of the dark chocolate we get is totally pareve, including European and Israeli chocolates.
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| Posted: Mon, Dec 05 2011, 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: re: CY and chocolate with OU D hechsher |
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| OOTBubby wrote: | | Raisin wrote: | | ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
most dark chocolate is produced on dairy equipment. very annoying. |
In the US, most of the dark chocolate we get is totally pareve, including European and Israeli chocolates. |
I'm sure in israel they are careful to kasher between lines, or use seperate lines. Or they throw out the first batch which kashers the line, I think.
the LBD confusingly lists chocolate made on DE as pareve. for a while we were eating some superb chocolate that was listed as pareve until we found it was DE.
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| Raisin wrote: | | OOTBubby wrote: | | Raisin wrote: | | ally wrote: | | I thought this was going to be about why Lindt 80% chocolate has an Ou-D when I am sure it has absolutely no milk in it. |
most dark chocolate is produced on dairy equipment. very annoying. |
In the US, most of the dark chocolate we get is totally pareve, including European and Israeli chocolates. |
I'm sure in israel they are careful to kasher between lines, or use seperate lines. Or they throw out the first batch which kashers the line, I think.
the LBD confusingly lists chocolate made on DE as pareve. for a while we were eating some superb chocolate that was listed as pareve until we found it was DE. |
I'm glad that in the US everything has a hechsher printed on the product and we don't need to deal with those kind of lists.
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