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PostPosted: Wed, Jul 05 2006, 1:35 pm    Post subject:
 
Did that apply to all Levi'im or to those who would be serving in the Mishkan?
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PostPosted: Thu, Jul 06 2006, 11:23 am    Post subject:
 
mummyof6 wrote:

Why is it chassidishe?

In EY all the Litvish men have beards too.


Surely you are aware that Litvishe bachurim shave and usually grow a beard after they marry.

And you are probably also aware that Chasidishe bachurim never shave.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 7:42 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
Ok motek, read this whole thread Shocked , now I'm even more confused if thats possible Confused

Maybe all the "my rebbe/rabbi is better than yours" part of this thread takes away from the clarity cuz I did find a few posts that were very clear and informaive and well explained amid the mess yet it left me feeling lost.

Interestingly enough my very well known high school teacher (you all heard of her huband for sure) taught us the whole history of the beginning of the chassidic movement (thats what she called it and she is very frum chassidish) and she only told us that its main purpose was to get the jewish uneducated masses educated and more practicing religion. She told us that the approach was thru ahava/love.

In all honesty I cannot say that I see any difference between any type of jew who is on a really high madrega, not just rabbis but kids, adults, families.

Still don't get it, I'll try reading the other thread you mentioned.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 8:53 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
To answer the origoinal question,

I think a chossid lady is a women who is on a very high level and I think a chissidish lady is one who belongs to a group called chassidim and really all chassidim should be a chossid.
What do you think?
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 8:54 pm    Post subject:
 
That's not really a definition. Confused
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
amother wrote:
To answer the origoinal question,

I think a chossid lady is a women who is on a very high level and I think a chissidish lady is one who belongs to a group called chassidim and really all chassidim should be a chossid.
What do you think?

So can a litvak be a chossid Question
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:02 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
actually, previous amother you make sence.

the difference between a chossid and being chassidish is
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a chossid lady is a women who is on a very high level and I think a chissidish lady is one who belongs to a group called chassidim and really all chassidim should be a chossid


anyone, litvish, yeshivish, yekish, spardi, ashkenazi etc. can be a chossid, someone who takes yiddishkeit to a higher level.

chassidish ppl. belong to a group, they follow a rebbe (usually) dress with different minhagim, and in general have different mihagim, usually a bit stricter than others.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:02 pm    Post subject:
 
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:02 pm    Post subject: Re: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
red sea wrote:
she only told us that its main purpose was to get the jewish uneducated masses educated and more practicing religion.


That's an extremely superficial understanding of the movement. Take a look at the introduction to Artscrolls's Hagada of the Chasidic Masters where the author explains that reducing Chasidus to a feel-good, kiruv movement is missing the boat.

Did Achiya Ha'Shiloni (lived in the time of Dovid ha'Melech) have to come and teach the Baal Shem Tov in order for him and his colleagues and students to inspire the masses? The answer is, no.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:03 pm    Post subject:
 
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I guess I answered you without knowing that will be your quwstion
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:12 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
Why did amother post anonymously and why are people responding to her post? Confused
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:13 pm    Post subject: Re: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
Esther01 wrote:
anyone, litvish, yeshivish, yekish, spardi, ashkenazi etc. can be a chossid, someone who takes yiddishkeit to a higher level.


does your definition have anything to do with chasidus?

what does "takes yiddishkeit to a higher level" mean?

higher than what? Scratching Head
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
Motek wrote:
Why did amother post anonymously and why are people responding to her post? Confused


becus her spelling was atricious and she did'nt want to be called dumb in case her answer was no good.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 10:27 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
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I think a chossid lady is a women who is on a very high level and I think a chissidish lady is one who belongs to a group called chassidim and really all chassidim should be a chossid.

kind of.
we know that the basic definition of a Chossid is one who goes lifnim meshuras hadin.

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So can a litvak be a chossid

according to this basic definition, of course.
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PostPosted: Thu, Aug 03 2006, 10:57 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
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Motek how many if any of these Great Tzaddikim you mentioned involved all... men, women and children. How many if any of these Tzadikim spoke to women both publicly and privatley, answered letters... gave dollars to every jewish person no matter how frum or not yet frum they were, and on Erev Rosh Hashona gave lakach-honey cake to men,women and children the list goes on and on. These Tzadikim just didn't involve all... like the Lubavitcher Rebbe did [/b].
He endeared his chassidim so that they felt his pain and his Joy.... like it was their own and vise versa. The Rebbe and Chassidim are like one entity.... one needs the other, and we for sure need the Rebbe more


This post makes me VERY angry. How could you go comparing gedolim like that? By saying "our way is better than yours" makes you and lubavitch (whom you represent) look bad.
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PostPosted: Fri, Aug 04 2006, 12:17 am    Post subject:
 
I think you're taking her post way out of context. She wasn't comparing gedolim, but was pointing out that Lubavitch women relate differently to their Rebbe than non-Lubavitch Chasidic women...the Lubavitcher Rebbe IS one of the only Rebbeim (I don't know of any others) who ever really related personally to women. What's wrong with that?

And obviously a person thinks her Rebbe is greater than everyone else's--otherwise why would she consider him to be her Rebbe? Obviously there's something special about her Rebbe that gives them a connection.
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PostPosted: Sun, Sep 10 2006, 9:25 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
mummyof6 wrote:

Motek wrote:
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R' Chaim Vital recorded that when R' Yosef Karo wanted to learn from the Arizal, the Arizal said it's not for you! When the Alshich wanted to learn from the Arizal, he fell asleep every time!

They were tremendously great men, R' Yosef Karo had a magid etc. BUT they could not learn what the Arizal was teaching.

R' C.V writes that the Arizal only wanted to teach him and he begged the Arizal to teach the others too.

So how do we understand this?
The issue wasn't one about information, whether they could understand it or not. It was a divine revelation. Each progressive revelation of pnimiyus ha'Torah brings down revelations that were not accessible before.


What are you trying to say? That Gedolei Olam like the Tanaim, Amoraim and Rishonim didn't know kabbala. Now that is totally ridiculous. The Ramban wrote much of his commentary al derech hasod.
And if you want to say that later generations know more kabbala ...


I am responding to this here although it was posted in another thread.

No, you didn't get what I saying because you don't understand the development of Kabala and Chasidus and so you drew the wrong conclusion and pronounced something I didn't say as ridiculous.

A VERY brief history of Pnimiyus Ha'Torah- Nistar:

ALL of Torah was given at Mattan Torah, that includes the mystical parts of Torah too. The mystical parts of Torah were not known by every Jew who lived say, in the time of Dovid Ha'Melech. It was known and transmitted by very few people.

The first major change came with R' Shimon bar Yochai, a Tanna, author of Zohar.

The second major change came with the Arizal in the 1500's.

The third major change came with the advent of Chasidus (which is not Kabbala) with the Baal Shem Tov.
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PostPosted: Sun, Sep 17 2006, 1:35 am    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
I don't know how to describe a Chassidic woman.
There are all different kinds. Some that are obviously Chassidic by their behavior or the way they dress while others are Chassidic because their husbands wear a shtreimel on Shabbos.
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PostPosted: Sun, Sep 17 2006, 8:13 pm    Post subject: Re: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
Blossom wrote:
There are all different kinds. Some that are obviously Chassidic by their behavior or the way they dress while others are Chassidic because their husbands wear a shtreimel on Shabbos.


They're chasidic because their husbands wear a certain kind of hat?! huh?

Sounds like you're saying that it's in the externals. That could be true for some (many?) but how pathetic that is, and hardly chasidic IMO.
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PostPosted: Sun, Sep 17 2006, 8:24 pm    Post subject: re: How would you define/describe a Chassidic Woman?
 
I admit that I too think of the differences between Chasidic and Litvak based on external modes of dress, adherance to one Rebbe, different chumras from mine, separation from secular/non jewish society/institutions. All and all, Chassidishe people I have met do not seem all that different, besides the superficial differences. But then, maybe it is because I never had the opportunity to get to know any of them on a deeper level.
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