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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 12:38 pm    Post subject: Looking to become a web programmer
 
I am interested in becoming a web programmer. I am very good with computers and enjoy these things immensely, so I want to put my talents to use and become a professional web/ computer programmer. Is anybody here familiar with the process? I do not have a problem going to an online school for a year or two.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 1:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
listenhere wrote:
I am interested in becoming a web programmer. I am very good with computers and enjoy these things immensely, so I want to put my talents to use and become a professional web/ computer programmer. Is anybody here familiar with the process? I do not have a problem going to an online school for a year or two.


You can learn the skills that you need without formal training, through a computer science degree is worth pursuing for the theory if you find that you really want to pursue a career and not be a hobby programmer.

If you're starting from scratch, start here: http://www.w3schools.com/ I'd recommend the following as a good core:

- everything under HTML tutorials
- under browser scripting, Javascript, HTML DOM, AJAX, and jquery.
- under server scripting, SQL and PHP


I like this site because it gives very good, basic tutorials that you can put into work right away with no financial outlay.

I learn best through doing, not reading, so here's my suggested second step: If you try the W3schools tutorials and see that you're picking it up and enjoying it, start thinking about a simple web site that you could build, figure out what you need to know to do it, and then start finding what you need to learn to do it. It doesn't need to be a web site that you share with other people or turn into a business, just a project to use to learn. Maybe you want to build a plugin for a blog, or create a to-do list for yourself, a photo gallery, whatever. You could also find an open source project to get involved in; there are tons out there. Having a project that you want to work on gives you a goal and a reason for learning new skills, and a motivation to go to school if you find that you're interested in the computer science/information science type academics.

I wish you the best of luck, and hope you enjoy it! I love programming. I find it very creative and enjoy having a finished, tangible result at the end. I always get excited to see other women taking interest in the field.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 1:53 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
Thank you so much, bluebird! I have watched some tutorials on that site in the past, and I am in the middle of watching a SQL 2005 tutorial on a different website. I guess that should give me the basic startoff. I do want to have a more comprehensive understanding of exactly how these things work and everything that's possible to get done, but first things first.

I take it from your answer that you are a programmer yourself. Are you self employed? Could I ask you how much I could expect to be earning once I really get to know the stuff well?
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 2:16 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
I'm a web programmer.
I did get a degree in computer science years ago but in this field everything changes and I keep learning new things and more languages by googling and trying things out.
Iv'e been doing web programming for over 10 years.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 2:21 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
Thanks e. How much schooling did you do to get the degree? I have never attended any college.
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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 2:55 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
I'd recommend focusing on the coding part of things. Lots of people say that "they're good with computers" when they mean that they are power Word / Excel etc. users and Web surfers. Being good at programming takes much more than that. Do you like math or logic puzzles? I'd recommend learning any language, to understand the way of thinking and then it's much easier to learn a second one.

Here's an intro to programming series in JavaScript (note their recommendation in the last article against W3Schools, though they are quite useful)
http://lifehacker.com/#!5736011/learn-how-to-code-part-I-variables-and-basic-data-types

Overall, you have to learn
    *HTML / CSS - Dreamweaver etc. is great for testing, but learn how to hand-code HTML!
    *JavaScript - really well (some libraries like JQuery / Prototype etc. come in useful, but that's more advanced)
    *Some type of backend language - I think the most common are PHP and ASP.NET, some others include Java/JSP and Ruby/Rails.
    *(Almost always) a database and SQL - SqlServer is great, if you want a free database that's good and in pretty wide use, try MySql. The syntax isn't that different between databases, so it's pretty easy to switch from one to another


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PostPosted: Wed, Feb 09 2011, 3:07 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
Thanks questioner. I have always enjoyed math and logic puzzles, but haven't really had a chance to get too advanced. I do work with the programming of our website at work now and I am the one that does the minor corrections and requests the more complicated ones from our programmer (that's without any training), so I am basically aware of what it entails and quite sure that this will be something that I would enjoy.

If you are a programmer, did you basically acquire the skill by watching tutorials online and testing it for yourself? How long did it take till you were able to do work for others?
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 2:15 am    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
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Thanks e. How much schooling did you do to get the degree? I have never attended any college.

I did it in 2 years and 2 summers + seminary credits but I took a lot of classes a semester (more then the normal)

My degree helped me get my first job but everything else is experience.
I feel experience is more important then anything else.
I have also taught web programming and I was able to tell which girls will succeed in the field.
You need to have a logical mind (and not just be doing it to make money) and enjoy constantly learning new things.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 10:30 am    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
Did you teach programming as a private course? I am thinking maybe something like this would be all that I need.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 11:37 am    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
I taught in maalot and I have taught people privately.

Practice is the most important
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
listenhere wrote:
Thank you so much, bluebird! I have watched some tutorials on that site in the past, and I am in the middle of watching a SQL 2005 tutorial on a different website. I guess that should give me the basic startoff. I do want to have a more comprehensive understanding of exactly how these things work and everything that's possible to get done, but first things first.

I take it from your answer that you are a programmer yourself. Are you self employed? Could I ask you how much I could expect to be earning once I really get to know the stuff well?


I'm not currently employed as a programmer, though that's part of what I do. I do work in IT.

Earning potential really varies by location, specialty, industry, and experience. Expected starting salary could be anywhere from $35,000 up to $80,000. The higher end would require a big, established company in a city.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 1:23 pm    Post subject:
 
I am a software engineer/computer programmer and got my degree from Maalot in Israel.
Where are you located? there are a lot of short programmers for learning programming. I work in a mid size corporation and I would say the spectrum of education goes from a masters degree to COPE certificate. In the IT world how good you are and years experienced is more important then education.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 1:24 pm    Post subject: re: Looking to become a web programmer
 
I will add that the starting salary range around here (NY/NJ) seems to be more in the 30-50 range. Once you're in a company it is generally slower moving up in salary then if you switch jobs.
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 1:59 pm    Post subject:
 
rise above wrote:
I am a software engineer/computer programmer and got my degree from Maalot in Israel.
Where are you located? there are a lot of short programmers for learning programming. I work in a mid size corporation and I would say the spectrum of education goes from a masters degree to COPE certificate. In the IT world how good you are and years experienced is more important then education.


Assuming you meant programs, I do live in the NY/NJ area, which programs do you know about?
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PostPosted: Thu, Feb 10 2011, 2:09 pm    Post subject:
 
I would have to ask my friends which ones are still running. But for starters, there is a women in Lakewood (Mrs. Klein) who gives a reputable programming course.
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