Parents w/o ketubah - what's my status?

Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 12:32 pm Post subject:

Interesting Suzy. Either they are chalalim or kohanim, they'd have to ask.
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Ok, I just asked my husband about this, because he's a Cohen and a BT (and he tried his hardest to get out of being a Cohen because it made dating difficult). He said that, yes, if there was evidence that his mother wasn't really halachically eligible to his father at the time of their marriage, then he (my husband) would not have been a Cohen. He even said he had to interview his mother's siblings to see if there was a chance that was the case. (It wasn't, and my husband is a Cohen.)

Some rule a gioret who converted under 3 don't get the zona label.
In all cases it's only a "by precaution" label and we should teach converts to demand to have both giorta AND betulta on her ketuba, when it is so.
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I'm not sure if they can marry Cohanim, or if simply they aren't considered zona.

I didn't know they had to have it! That's good!
I do know that older (teen, adult) women who converted and got married virgin are allowed (or encouraged by some ) to have also something "proving" their virginity despite the status.

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According to halacha, if a woman had intercourse before the age of 3 she is still a virgin. Intercourse before that age doesn't really count.

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Get a copy of the book Yeserday's child it's a really great book all about the issue of marrying someone that has been married before without a Ketubah it is a Jewish book and one of my favorites.

Posted: Thu, Jan 20 2011, 9:05 pm Post subject:

its funny how I came accross this question and was going to post a thred abt it but I guess it got here b4 I did. basically what I wanted to knowis if a couple didnt have a kesuba or a valid one are their children considered to be a "mamzer". what abt a woman who had a child witha non jew? they are hallacakly not able to get married... this Q came up through shidduch info; dh and I were arguing abou it. so what are the children jewish/ non jewish /mamzer? Wink

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