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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 8:29 pm    Post subject: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
I need urgent info my DH befriended a Sephardi meshulach for E.Y.

DH met him when he came to our door looking lost/cold and needing helping collecting to pay doctor bills for his son who was a victim of a home invasion by an Arab thug. The son's doctor's bills ran to $5,000 USD. He not being a professional meshulach did not seem to have much success he is a gentle learning Rabbi who is only here for his son.

We can't really help greatly with money right now Sad , so my DH befriended him and drove him around town after he was mugged by some ruffians. One week in Toronto yielded about $1K and one week in Montreal under deep freeze conditions also yielded about $1K total.

He was shocked to learn the voucher person in Montreal took 1/3 of the profits. Shocked So, now he has to head to the USA to avoid his child ending up on the street due to the medical costs. He was thinking of going Chicago or Lakewood. DH worries that these would not be good choices cause of the recession.

DH was thinking Teaneck, Farockaway, Monsey or Boston. I am in no way soliciting funds in the forum, but would like suggestions of US cities (not to far from each other) that would yield the best results. Your feedback is most appreciated! Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
I would think Brooklyn.

As an aside, can you please explain this? I'm unfamiliar with how the meshulach system works, thanks.

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He was shocked to learn the voucher person in Montreal took 1/3 of the profits. Shocked

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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 8:43 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
He was given you know say 50 dollar tickets by people ..and when he went to cash them he got a very nasty surprise when the people cashing the took $500 minimum as a "service fee" for cashing the tickets. This was AFTER he gave them the tickets he was informed of the service fee. He begged this supposed frum men that he was a talmid chacham and in need of the funds. They said "business is business". Since he knew he couldn't cash them anywhere except Montreal, he felt he had no choice.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 8:56 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
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He was given you know say 50 dollar tickets by people ..and when he went to cash them he got a very nasty surprise when the people cashing the took $500 minimum as a "service fee" for cashing the tickets. This was AFTER he gave them the tickets he was informed of the service fee. He begged this supposed frum men that he was a talmid chacham and in need of the funds. They said "business is business". Since he knew he couldn't cash them anywhere except Montreal, he felt he had no choice.


hmmm, is this ticket "scheme" special to Montreal? Here in the US I've only heard of giving the meshulach cash. Is everyone in Montreal aware of how much of their ticket tzedaka goes to a servicing fee? I have heard of organizations charging a check cashing fee, especially if they put out a charitable letter campaign for the poor person.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 8:58 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
In Baltimore, we have a system where the schools get a % of the value of the vouchers collected, but the collector must have a document and when he is given the document he is "checked out" and explained the way the system works.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:00 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
They do this in all big jewish communities in canada....Suposedly for safety Rolling Eyes
I hope I can find some tips on cities for him. he barely eats and is such a gentle tzadik
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:03 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
amother wrote:
In Baltimore, we have a system where the schools get a % of the value of the vouchers collected, but the collector must have a document and when he is given the document he is "checked out" and explained the way the system works.


If they explain to him upfront that they will be taking a percentage of his collections that does not seem like a problem. He can make an informed decision whether to collect in your city or not.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:06 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
amother wrote:
They do this in all big jewish communities in canada....Suposedly for safety Rolling Eyes
I hope I can find some tips on cities for him. he barely eats and is such a gentle tzadik


So people use their tzedaka money to buy vouchers to give to poor people? Do they come in different denominations? Where does the % the meshulach gives up go to? (Sorry for taking over your thread but I've never heard of this before and am very interested).
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:11 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
he is not a profesional ,but has letters of reference ...DH fears he got ripped off ,other meshulachim go around in pairs a lot maybe is a safety thing . He was not told upfront about the fee ,he was so shocked at how high the cost was $500 Shocked that ment walking around in the snow without propper clothes ....We are moved by his devotion to his son and DIL. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:14 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
Yes, they come in different denominations and I think you can choose which mosad receives the percentage. It is a way of keeping a certain amount of money for local funding. It would be geneivas da'as not to inform the meshulach ahead of time what the system is.

If this meshulach in question only needs $5,000 (or less; it seems like some was already collected in Canada?) I would imagine that is not too hard to collect. In certain cities, like Baltimore, you need a certificate from Rabbi Heinemann to collect (or else people won't give). This is regardless of whether they give the meshulach cash, a check (not recommended), or a voucher.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
yummymummy wrote:
amother wrote:
he is not a profesional ,but has letters of reference ...DH fears he got ripped off ,other meshulachim go around in pairs a lot maybe is a safety thing . He was not told upfront about the fee ,he was so shocked at how high the cost was $500 Shocked that ment walking around in the snow without propper clothes ....We are moved by his devotion to his son and DIL. Sad


who gets the $500? This story is so sad Sad


The guys who cash the tickets !!!!!!!! DH was livid/sad they did this to him ...BTW he is FFB barely speaks english and had never left EY.... Sad
When he came to our door he had just been kicked by some black teens!!(he was limping slightly ) who probably thought he may have cash on him ....
I hope some montrealers would chime in and explain if he got ripped off I'm calling the vaad there!
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:33 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
Suprisingly, I would say Lakewood is a very popular place for meshulachim. I have lived in Brooklyn and only occasionaly had meshulachim come to my door. In Lakewood, I get a few daily. I know that there is a vaad here that gives out a certificate to validate the meshlach. I think in a way it is easy to go to a frum development (and we've got plenty of em!) and collect from house to house, without walking great distances. Though many of the homes house kollel mishpachos, getting 5 dollars from 50 homes, in 30 minutes, can often be more worthwhile than driving in areas where homes are more spread out. We also have a soup kitchen specifically for meshlachim, called the Bais Hatavshil, if he needs a place to eat.
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:37 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
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Yes, they come in different denominations and I think you can choose which mosad receives the percentage. It is a way of keeping a certain amount of money for local funding. It would be geneivas da'as not to inform the meshulach ahead of time what the system is.

If this meshulach in question only needs $5,000 (or less; it seems like some was already collected in Canada?) I would imagine that is not too hard to collect. In certain cities, like Baltimore, you need a certificate from Rabbi Heinemann to collect (or else people won't give). This is regardless of whether they give the meshulach cash, a check (not recommended), or a voucher.


Tova can you post the Rabbi's name ?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:42 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
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Tova wrote:
Yes, they come in different denominations and I think you can choose which mosad receives the percentage. It is a way of keeping a certain amount of money for local funding. It would be geneivas da'as not to inform the meshulach ahead of time what the system is.

If this meshulach in question only needs $5,000 (or less; it seems like some was already collected in Canada?) I would imagine that is not too hard to collect. In certain cities, like Baltimore, you need a certificate from Rabbi Heinemann to collect (or else people won't give). This is regardless of whether they give the meshulach cash, a check (not recommended), or a voucher.


Tova can you post the Rabbi's name ?

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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 9:44 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
amother wrote:
Suprisingly, I would say Lakewood is a very popular place for meshulachim. I have lived in Brooklyn and only occasionaly had meshulachim come to my door. In Lakewood, I get a few daily. I know that there is a vaad here that gives out a certificate to validate the meshlach. I think in a way it is easy to go to a frum development (and we've got plenty of em!) and collect from house to house, without walking great distances. Though many of the homes house kollel mishpachos, getting 5 dollars from 50 homes, in 30 minutes, can often be more worthwhile than driving in areas where homes are more spread out. We also have a soup kitchen specifically for meshlachim, called the Bais Hatavshil, if he needs a place to eat.


Does he need to contact a particular local Rav?? do you have a name and #?
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
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amother wrote:
Suprisingly, I would say Lakewood is a very popular place for meshulachim. I have lived in Brooklyn and only occasionaly had meshulachim come to my door. In Lakewood, I get a few daily. I know that there is a vaad here that gives out a certificate to validate the meshlach. I think in a way it is easy to go to a frum development (and we've got plenty of em!) and collect from house to house, without walking great distances. Though many of the homes house kollel mishpachos, getting 5 dollars from 50 homes, in 30 minutes, can often be more worthwhile than driving in areas where homes are more spread out. We also have a soup kitchen specifically for meshlachim, called the Bais Hatavshil, if he needs a place to eat.


Does he need to contact a particular local Rav?? do you have a name and #?
thank you!

He doesn't know anyone and we just want to keep him safe .Any name or info is highly appreciated!
I'm watching this topic so if you post ,I can reply and you can delete the info and I can remain anon.. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 10:31 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
I don't know who to contact for the certificate, but the number for Bais Hatavshil is 732-276-1811. They may be able to explain the process as they deal a lot with meshlachim. Sorry I don't have any other info!Tizku Limitzvos!
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 10:37 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
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I don't know who to contact for the certificate, but the number for Bais Hatavshil is 732-276-1811. They may be able to explain the process as they deal a lot with meshlachim. Sorry I don't have any other info!Tizku Limitzvos!

Thank you ! we will pass this info along. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 11:22 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
masbia has soup kitchens in brooklyn as well, if he is in boro park they have on one 14th ave. its supposed to be a really nice bechavedige place with full meals, restaurant like atmosphere
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PostPosted: Sun, Nov 28 2010, 11:42 pm    Post subject: re: Best Cities in USA to Collect for Meshulach?
 
I am confused....how did someone like this get the money for a plane ticket to the US?
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