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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 1:13 am    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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Im not saying this to stir up trouble, its coming from honest curiosity. I am FFB and live in NY. But I have never understood what is wrong with jeans? I am quite aware that there is a stigma but honestly its just a more casual material. I wear denim when I am casual, I wouldnt wear it to work. So whats wrong with a man wearing it when he is being casual, not to work. Why is there a stigma? Having said that my husband wont wear jeans although he also cant come up with a good explanation. My kids do although I think in their yeshiva past I pre1 A its not ok. We are sending to a top notch world class yeshiva. So mothers..... again this is not to cause trouble...what reasons do you have? Any are there any mothers out there whoes husbands do wear jeans and are considered frum yirei shamyim?


Yes DH fits that criteria. He wears jeans regularly although not at work where he has a uniform. If he were in a plain clothes unit he's probably wear jeans to work too. He doesn't wear jeans to shul though.


This topic came up on Shabbos, and I mentioned this to my dh. He was very impressed that your husband doesn't wear jeans to shul- there is actually a real source for dressing better in shul, versus wearing jeans altogether.


That's how he was raised although I noticed when I was in France the men wore jeans to shul even on Shabbos.


I was once at a WEDDING in Israel and there were men wearing jeans also. talk about laid back...and it was in a hall and everything not some backyard wedding


My parents were a hippies in Berkley in the 70's had their wedding in a park and I don't think people wore jeans even then at least not that I saw in pictures.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 1:19 am    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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Im not saying this to stir up trouble, its coming from honest curiosity. I am FFB and live in NY. But I have never understood what is wrong with jeans? I am quite aware that there is a stigma but honestly its just a more casual material. I wear denim when I am casual, I wouldnt wear it to work. So whats wrong with a man wearing it when he is being casual, not to work. Why is there a stigma? Having said that my husband wont wear jeans although he also cant come up with a good explanation. My kids do although I think in their yeshiva past I pre1 A its not ok. We are sending to a top notch world class yeshiva. So mothers..... again this is not to cause trouble...what reasons do you have? Any are there any mothers out there whoes husbands do wear jeans and are considered frum yirei shamyim?


Yes DH fits that criteria. He wears jeans regularly although not at work where he has a uniform. If he were in a plain clothes unit he's probably wear jeans to work too. He doesn't wear jeans to shul though.


This topic came up on Shabbos, and I mentioned this to my dh. He was very impressed that your husband doesn't wear jeans to shul- there is actually a real source for dressing better in shul, versus wearing jeans altogether.


That's how he was raised although I noticed when I was in France the men wore jeans to shul even on Shabbos.


I was once at a WEDDING in Israel and there were men wearing jeans also. talk about laid back...and it was in a hall and everything not some backyard wedding


My parents were a hippies in Berkley in the 70's had their wedding in a park and I don't think people wore jeans even then at least not that I saw in pictures.


my point exactly. I was so surprised
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 1:56 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
3 or 4. Only put my 4 year old in jeans when he has no clothing left.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 10:00 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
my oldest wears jeans every day he will be nineteen in Novemeber G-d willing...
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 10:00 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
Um, but he dresses himself.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 10:25 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
MommyZ, I've also noticed that the more MO crowd (or whatever they're called in France) can show up in shul on Shabbos in jeans and sneakers, no different from the rest of the week. It's definitely a cultural thing and is quite accepted among certain circles there. I would say, though, that most who come from stronger backgrounds do make a point of dressing up for Shabbos.

I was recently talking to a French guy (who wears jeans btw) who mentioned that it always bothered him as a kid when he saw some of his friends wearing the same shoes on Shabbos as during the week. It was not a money issue, simply lack of understanding what Shabbos is all about.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 10:52 am    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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MommyZ, I've also noticed that the more MO crowd (or whatever they're called in France) can show up in shul on Shabbos in jeans and sneakers, no different from the rest of the week. It's definitely a cultural thing and is quite accepted among certain circles there. I would say, though, that most who come from stronger backgrounds do make a point of dressing up for Shabbos.

I was recently talking to a French guy (who wears jeans btw) who mentioned that it always bothered him as a kid when he saw some of his friends wearing the same shoes on Shabbos as during the week. It was not a money issue, simply lack of understanding what Shabbos is all about.


I had a frum Parisian roommate whose family was frum as well went to a frum shul where a lot of the men wore jeans to shul on Shabbos. I guess it is cultural. I don't think the shul was MO per se.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 10:55 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
I never do (for boys or girls). I figure why should I start it if I won't let later?
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 4:14 pm    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
You can find women in denim and sneakers in the frummest circles in much of Europe including France. Black jeans and black sneakers on men are accepted also in many charedi circles if they "don't look like" jeans and sneakers... the kollel rue Pavée tolerates that, for example.

I do see modern charedi men in blue jeans.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 6:35 pm    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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We received a gift of authentic GAP jeans for a baby boy that were exacly like those for a man - they lasted through a few baby boys and were quite adorable. Other than that pair, I remember a son who specifically requested jeans - he was like 3 or 4. They were cheap and didn't last long.

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cute youre talking about gap like there gucci or versaci


My son is 19, and that many years ago a baby in GAP jeans in Israel was pretty cool. Razz

When I put my one year old in the smallest size Crocs when they first came here, that was considered adorable. (They were his sole pair of footwear and lasted really long.)[/
ooh you live in isreal I hear gap is really cool there. I was just Laughing cuz u wrote authentic I nevert have come across fakes of gap cuz there not very expensive btw a pair of baby jeans are like $20.


childrens place is even cheaper. after coupons I must have paid 7-8 dollars for the cutest pair. im having way to much fun dressing my baby


$20 is a lot to spend on a pair of jeans for a baby. Also, outside the usa GAP is pretty expensive. the GAP in my city is exhorbitantly expensive, compared to other stores selling clothes of similar quality, and compared to usa gap prices. I only buy clothes there for my kids if it is something I can't find elsewhere eg long skirts/dresses or if it is on sale.

even in the usa if someone is buying gap clothes I think they are overspending.

(gucci and versace make jeans?)

my 8 year old son is wearing jeans now but I have started buying him regular black/blue cotton trousers instead. I live oot so I don't really see what other frum kids his age are wearing.
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PostPosted: Sun, Aug 22 2010, 7:25 pm    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
dina23 wrote:
Im not saying this to stir up trouble, its coming from honest curiosity. I am FFB and live in NY. But I have never understood what is wrong with jeans? I am quite aware that there is a stigma but honestly its just a more casual material. I wear denim when I am casual, I wouldnt wear it to work. So whats wrong with a man wearing it when he is being casual, not to work. Why is there a stigma? Having said that my husband wont wear jeans although he also cant come up with a good explanation. My kids do although I think in their yeshiva past I pre1 A its not ok. We are sending to a top notch world class yeshiva. So mothers..... again this is not to cause trouble...what reasons do you have? Any are there any mothers out there whoes husbands do wear jeans and are considered frum yirei shamyim?


This is what I once heard: Jeans / "Levis" were invented years ago for people to wear while working on the farm. it was strictly used when involved in real physical labor. who began wearing these jeans even when not on the farm?? the gentile. which means, if a yid is working on the farm- wear the jeans- thats what its meant for. But if a yid is wearing them while not on the workfield then he is just copying the gentile. So now u decide if "lo selechi bechikas hagoy" comes into the picture here.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 23 2010, 8:38 pm    Post subject:
 
As I am shopping for pants for my almost three year old son I mentioned to my learning husband that Im not getting my son jeans any more. My husband looked at me like I'm crazy and can not understand why... but either way I'm not getting my son denim pants and he is almost three.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 23 2010, 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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my almost 14 year old DS would KILL for jeans! He honestly sees it as unfair that my baby and 6 year old DD can wear jeans/jean skirt, and that I wear jean skirts.

I dont have an answer for him so I leave it up to his father.


That's the best reason yet to stop the younger ones from wearing them.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 23 2010, 10:09 pm    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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My point was: why would boys WANT to wear jeans? Mine can and don't want to (not yeshivish at all). Hafuch al hafuch! Whatever you do, they want something else Laughing


ya my mother always says that its a pendulum. whatever you do your kids will do the opposite but dont worry cause your grandkids will be doing it like you because of their parents


So true. My mother forced me to have long hair when I was young and I hated it. She claimed she was doing it because her mother forced her to have short hair and she hated it. I finally got my long hair cut short when my great-grandmother came to visit and she took me for a haircut. (my mother's mother had died, and this was her mother) Go figure!
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 24 2010, 11:36 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
Nah no way, things aren't so simple in life.
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 24 2010, 1:16 pm    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
19 years ago no other baby in Israel I saw had name brand jeans that somehow looked exactly like those for a man. I can't begin to describe how cute they were. Maybe I can find an old photo to scan and upload.

And no one I knew here was spending $20 on pants for an infant.
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 25 2010, 2:39 am    Post subject: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
estibesty, there used to be Israeli factories that produced for gap, and when the merchandise was defective or surplus or whatever, it would end up in flea market type places with a bit of ink "covering" the tag. (I still have a ton of such t-shirts and the ink washed off years ago.) That could explain why in those days Israelis might have had a distinction between "Gap" and "authentic Gap"
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 25 2010, 3:22 am    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
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estibesty, there used to be Israeli factories that produced for gap, and when the merchandise was defective or surplus or whatever, it would end up in flea market type places with a bit of ink "covering" the tag. (I still have a ton of such t-shirts and the ink washed off years ago.) That could explain why in those days Israelis might have had a distinction between "Gap" and "authentic Gap"

Have you never seen t-shirts with CAP on them? GAP is totally knocked off here in Israel. And 20$ would be a nice sum to spend on everyday clothes for an infant, then and now.

Not to mention that I would have to sell a vital organ in order to buy anything in Israeli GAP. It's really expensive (ok, so I bought DD a nice shirt on sale for 40 NIS but everything else is super expensive and not really worth the expense).
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PostPosted: Wed, Aug 25 2010, 1:21 pm    Post subject: Re: re: when do you stop dressing your boys in jeans?
 
chanchy123 wrote:
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estibesty, there used to be Israeli factories that produced for gap, and when the merchandise was defective or surplus or whatever, it would end up in flea market type places with a bit of ink "covering" the tag. (I still have a ton of such t-shirts and the ink washed off years ago.) That could explain why in those days Israelis might have had a distinction between "Gap" and "authentic Gap"

Have you never seen t-shirts with CAP on them? GAP is totally knocked off here in Israel. And 20$ would be a nice sum to spend on everyday clothes for an infant, then and now.

Not to mention that I would have to sell a vital organ in order to buy anything in Israeli GAP. It's really expensive (ok, so I bought DD a nice shirt on sale for 40 NIS but everything else is super expensive and not really worth the expense).


lol I was just going through my closet and I found a gap scarf I had. upon closer examination I saw it was Cap not Gap. very hard to tell though
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