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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 19 2010, 4:54 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
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I do not allow my kids to collect from others at all and I have told my neighbors that I dont do the "collecting thing" anymore. Period. I dont want my kids going to strangers houses. And if they know them, I dont want them schorring. Therefore, we neighbors dont send our kids to each other anymore. Think about it- Instead of giving 20 kids in the neighborhood 1 dollar each, I can just give my own kid 20 dollars. It is unfortunate that some organizations Im sorry to say "exploit" young kids during the summer - with Jumpathons, Parshathons, Swimathons, etc. all with the promise of a prize that generally holds up for 1 hour. I would rather buy my kids something- I detest this collecting mishigas.


I agree with this. I live in a development and get at least 30 if not more girls knocking on my door for various "thons". Almost always, it's at inconvenient times and it really annoys me. You're generous that you give $1. I give 25 cents. The main thon here in Lakewood is for an excellent organization that I always give to annually anyway. I don't feel that I need to give more. Although my kids are not collecting age yet, I plan on doing what my sister does. Her kids can collect from her immediate neighbor on each side, and then they can ask from aunts and grandparents, but only if they call them themselves and make sure to get the money from them themselves. This teaches responsibility, and it's not annoying when my niece calls me to collect for whatever it is.
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PostPosted: Mon, Jul 19 2010, 5:11 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
SivanMom wrote:
I agree with this. I live in a development and get at least 30 if not more girls knocking on my door for various "thons". Almost always, it's at inconvenient times and it really annoys me. You're generous that you give $1. I give 25 cents. The main thon here in Lakewood is for an excellent organization that I always give to annually anyway. I don't feel that I need to give more. Although my kids are not collecting age yet, I plan on doing what my sister does. Her kids can collect from her immediate neighbor on each side, and then they can ask from aunts and grandparents, but only if they call them themselves and make sure to get the money from them themselves. This teaches responsibility, and it's not annoying when my niece calls me to collect for whatever it is.

That's because when their mothers want them out of their hair, they tell them - go collecting now. I found that a lot as well.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 4:26 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
WOW! Ithought it was only MY neighbors. They do it constantly. I'll never forget, when my neighbor came over to me one day and said "why didn't you answer the door when my daughter knocked"? (I was then in middle of supper and I usually don't answer the door unless I'm expecting someone) Before I had a chance to answer , she said " and don't tell me you weren't home, my daughter peeked through the blinds and saw you all sitting there". WHAT NERVE! since then we keep our front door blinds tightly shut and I made sure to tell her kids why.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
SivanMom wrote:
overthehill wrote:
I do not allow my kids to collect from others at all and I have told my neighbors that I dont do the "collecting thing" anymore. Period. I dont want my kids going to strangers houses. And if they know them, I dont want them schorring. Therefore, we neighbors dont send our kids to each other anymore. Think about it- Instead of giving 20 kids in the neighborhood 1 dollar each, I can just give my own kid 20 dollars. It is unfortunate that some organizations Im sorry to say "exploit" young kids during the summer - with Jumpathons, Parshathons, Swimathons, etc. all with the promise of a prize that generally holds up for 1 hour. I would rather buy my kids something- I detest this collecting mishigas.


I agree with this. I live in a development and get at least 30 if not more girls knocking on my door for various "thons". Almost always, it's at inconvenient times and it really annoys me. You're generous that you give $1. I give 25 cents. The main thon here in Lakewood is for an excellent organization that I always give to annually anyway. I don't feel that I need to give more. Although my kids are not collecting age yet, I plan on doing what my sister does. Her kids can collect from her immediate neighbor on each side, and then they can ask from aunts and grandparents, but only if they call them themselves and make sure to get the money from them themselves. This teaches responsibility, and it's not annoying when my niece calls me to collect for whatever it is.


ITA as well. When you live in a small community or even on a block where everyone's concentrated all those "thons" end up becoming very annoying - you have every kid on the block all collecting for the same thing. I was asked 7 times in one night for a particular thon last week. My husband and I forbid our children from collecting for these things and while I do feel bad for my kids that they are left out of it, I don't necessarily agree that proper chinuch is to send your children out collecting so they can win a gumball machine, for their hundred laps or jumps or whatever. There are much more appropriate ways to teach your children to give tzedakah. I do give to these organizations anyway and I don't turn children away when they do come collecting but I really think think it's wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 5:08 pm    Post subject: Re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
life'sgreat wrote:
Mothers, please teach your kids:

that when they knock on someone's door, they should actually give the person time to get to the door before banging the door down.

that at certain times, such as Friday afternoons when people sometimes nap, if there's no answer after the first, or max second knock, just. leave. Don't bang the door down.

that after 7-8 pm, you don't ring a bell in some areas and if that's accepted practice in your area, please teach your children.

that if you hear noise within the house, but no one answers the door, give up after 2-3 knocks, or the ring of a bell. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the inhabitants can't, or won't open the door.

Thank you

There. That felt good.


Unfortunately I know plenty of adults who themselves haven't learned this yet.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 5:16 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
Life's Great, I hear you.
But it is very hard to break kids of this. They can't resist knock knock knocking and ringing doorbells.

I would get annoyed. Definitely. But I would be able to be understanding if it is a kid by himself who just couldn't help it (kids with sensory issues especially have trouble not knocking and knocking). But I would get very annoyed if the kid was accompanied by an adult and I heard that the adult said nothing to the kid.

I think I should be grateful that they like knocking. A couple of adults in this neighborhood just help themselves and open the door if I don't come in time. I HATE that. Evil or Very Mad
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 5:27 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
My feeling is this: If you belong here, just come in. If you don't, go away. If you just come in and act like you belong, then you do.

I do try to keep my door locked even during the day, but my kids unlock it.

If you come in early in the morning and I am still in my pjs, it's your problem if you don't prefer to see that.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 5:58 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
Can I tell you a secret? In our last apartment the landlord was kind of absentee and wasn't really on top of maintenance things. In the FIVE years I lived there the only time we had a working doorbell was when we put in a wireless one from home depot (and then every time the next door neighbors changed the channel on their TV or someone pressed their car alarm it went off - LOUDLY). It broke relatively quickly. If someone wanted to come to our house they had to:
1. Call from outside
2. Call in advance
3. Yell up to the 3rd floor and hope we heard them

Since we moved we are totally not aware and caught off guard when the bell rings! My husband was shocked the first time a tzedaka collector rang a door bell - it had been a few years!

So the answer is disconnect your door bell!!! Laughing
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:20 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
aidelmaidel wrote:
Can I tell you a secret? In our last apartment the landlord was kind of absentee and wasn't really on top of maintenance things. In the FIVE years I lived there the only time we had a working doorbell was when we put in a wireless one from home depot (and then every time the next door neighbors changed the channel on their TV or someone pressed their car alarm it went off - LOUDLY). It broke relatively quickly. If someone wanted to come to our house they had to:
1. Call from outside
2. Call in advance
3. Yell up to the 3rd floor and hope we heard them

Since we moved we are totally not aware and caught off guard when the bell rings! My husband was shocked the first time a tzedaka collector rang a door bell - it had been a few years!

So the answer is disconnect your door bell!!! Laughing

They bang the door down.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:28 pm    Post subject:
 
I don't understand why a child doing it would bother you more than an adult? That baffles me.

I expect an adult (misulach or not) to behave properly and have derech eretz. Children are still learning.

Adult neighbors who don't want for me to come and just enter my house upset me greatly. I had one who was upset that she couldn't get past my baby gate to come upstairs when I told her I wasn't available.

I was sitting in my nightgown pumping. Did she really want to come upstairs and see that?

I am so glad she moved.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:31 pm    Post subject: Re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
life'sgreat wrote:
Mothers, please teach your kids:

that when they knock on someone's door, they should actually give the person time to get to the door before banging the door down.

that at certain times, such as Friday afternoons when people sometimes nap, if there's no answer after the first, or max second knock, just. leave. Don't bang the door down.

that after 7-8 pm, you don't ring a bell in some areas and if that's accepted practice in your area, please teach your children.

that if you hear noise within the house, but no one answers the door, give up after 2-3 knocks, or the ring of a bell. Sometimes, for whatever reason, the inhabitants can't, or won't open the door.

Thank you

There. That felt good.
omg can you please come to my block and knock on all the doors and tell this to the mothers. My block is insane I hate it. finally get the baby to sleep and there they are banging away. its crazy
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:37 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
bh for my neighbors. no one in my neighborhood would DARE come into my house without knocking first. generally they call before coming as well. and then they knock a couple times and if there is no answer they go home. gotta love out of town communities.....
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:48 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
I don't know if this would work by you, but this is what we do in our neighborhood.
We have signs on our doors.
For example:

Don't ring the door after 6:00 p.m - children sleeping

Please knock don't ring, baby sleeping

If you write something politely with a cute picture then it won't sound rude.
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PostPosted: Mon, Aug 02 2010, 8:48 pm    Post subject:
 
Liba wrote:
I don't understand why a child doing it would bother you more than an adult? That baffles me.

I expect an adult (misulach or not) to behave properly and have derech eretz. Children are still learning.

Adult neighbors who don't want for me to come and just enter my house upset me greatly. I had one who was upset that she couldn't get past my baby gate to come upstairs when I told her I wasn't available.

I was sitting in my nightgown pumping. Did she really want to come upstairs and see that?

I am so glad she moved.

I don't think I said it bothers me more.

a. the kids are always doing this. For every adult that knocks on my door (even nicely), I get 10 kids.
b. an adult that does this is usually from a country that it's seemingly more accepted to do so, or they are not all there.
c. kids should be taught to do so.
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 03 2010, 4:11 pm    Post subject: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
I was just going to post a thread asking if it's disgusting of me to ignore the door sometimes, but then I saw this thread! Sometimes, it's just not a good time for me to answer the door - I am in pajamas, working, giving DS a bath... I always feel guilty ignoring the knocking/doorbell ringing - especially when they know I am home - there is music playing or it's my neighbor from across the hallway who saw me come home etc. I know they should not keep on banging the door down, but from the other side, is it terrible manners for me to ignore them?
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 03 2010, 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
Shuly wrote:
I was just going to post a thread asking if it's disgusting of me to ignore the door sometimes, but then I saw this thread! Sometimes, it's just not a good time for me to answer the door - I am in pajamas, working, giving DS a bath... I always feel guilty ignoring the knocking/doorbell ringing - especially when they know I am home - there is music playing or it's my neighbor from across the hallway who saw me come home etc. I know they should not keep on banging the door down, but from the other side, is it terrible manners for me to ignore them?


No its not. If their needing u was that important they should call first. You need not be a anyones becj and call-especially in your own home!
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PostPosted: Tue, Aug 03 2010, 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: re: By golly! Teach your kids!
 
Shuly wrote:
I was just going to post a thread asking if it's disgusting of me to ignore the door sometimes, but then I saw this thread! Sometimes, it's just not a good time for me to answer the door - I am in pajamas, working, giving DS a bath... I always feel guilty ignoring the knocking/doorbell ringing - especially when they know I am home - there is music playing or it's my neighbor from across the hallway who saw me come home etc. I know they should not keep on banging the door down, but from the other side, is it terrible manners for me to ignore them?

G-d created doors for a reason. So that we can pick and choose when to open the door. Just like phones are (or should be) in our control.
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