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Posted: Wed, Mar 03 2010, 7:58 pm Post subject: any other way to make aliyah? |
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Is there any other option to make aliyah without Nefesh b Nefesh?
We want to make aliyah asap but I think it will be shlepping with Nefesh b Nefesh since they ask for letters of reccomendation and all kinds of forms to be scanned or faxed (and we have no scanner or fax).
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Posted: Wed, Mar 03 2010, 8:01 pm Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| You can mail in the forms-- isn't the minor annoyance worth the free flight? (plus the help they give you with Israeli paperwork on the other side which is probably much more annoying?)
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Posted: Wed, Mar 03 2010, 8:08 pm Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| True, the free flight is a big perk, howver I just don't know if I will be able to get all the forms to them quickly, I felt like I was getting somewhere with filling out the online application and then the last page I am on has a list of like 20 documents they need it just seems like it will take me a long time to get them all in and we were hoping to make aliyah right after Pesach...
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Posted: Wed, Mar 03 2010, 8:12 pm Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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I think the deadline for Spring NBN flights passed anyway. Why don't you call the Jewish agency and ask them what you need to do? You'll just make Aliyah the old fashioned way
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 12:51 am Post subject: Re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| amother wrote: | Is there any other option to make aliyah without Nefesh b Nefesh?
We want to make aliyah asap but I think it will be shlepping with Nefesh b Nefesh since they ask for letters of reccomendation and all kinds of forms to be scanned or faxed (and we have no scanner or fax). | of course, its called the jewish agency, the way that all of us did it before nefesh bnefesh ever existed
good luck.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 1:17 am Post subject: Re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| shabbatiscoming wrote: | | amother wrote: | Is there any other option to make aliyah without Nefesh b Nefesh?
We want to make aliyah asap but I think it will be shlepping with Nefesh b Nefesh since they ask for letters of reccomendation and all kinds of forms to be scanned or faxed (and we have no scanner or fax). | of course, its called the jewish agency, the way that all of us did it before nefesh bnefesh ever existed
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The Jewish Agency and NBN work together now. NBN handles the aliyah operations and JA confirms eligibility. The only paperwork that's optional is the grant application. When we made aliyah, we had to complete bunches of paperwork for the JA BEFORE we could apply with NBN. You're asking for citizenship in a another country... there's going to be a lot of forms. Technically, you could also come as a tourist and change your status here, but then you're on the hook for everybody's air fare, and you don't get to carry as much baggage.
If you have a digital camera and a printer, you can take a digital image of the completed forms. Or find a Kinko's. Or ask a friend, or your shul's office to use their scanner or fax.
No offense, but if this puts you off... once you get here life is more complicated than finding a fax or scanner.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 2:00 am Post subject: Re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| zipporah wrote: | | shabbatiscoming wrote: | | amother wrote: | Is there any other option to make aliyah without Nefesh b Nefesh?
We want to make aliyah asap but I think it will be shlepping with Nefesh b Nefesh since they ask for letters of reccomendation and all kinds of forms to be scanned or faxed (and we have no scanner or fax). | of course, its called the jewish agency, the way that all of us did it before nefesh bnefesh ever existed
good luck. |
No offense, but if this puts you off... once you get here life is more complicated than finding a fax or scanner. |
I agree. Making aliyah is a big deal and you have to go through the right channels. NBN can perhaps help in a rush case and I thought the JA pays for the flight anyway. There's no sense trying to avoid the paperwork, just find a way to do it. Ask your rabbi for a letter of recommendation right away and tell him it's a rush.
Asking for grant from NBN takes a little while as you have to have an accountant verify your finances and you'd have to rush that as well. There might not be money left for the Spring flight either at this point. Ask them right away!
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 2:21 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| While you have to do the paperwork and get the approval through NBN, I believe you can then use the free tickets on any El Al flight.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 2:41 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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OP here.
Thank you all for your responses.
I never thought of photographing and uploading the picture! I will try it and see. Thanks for the idea.
I just don't know what the "right" answers are for the online application...I had to fill out our debts and then explain our plan to pay them...and then it asks how much assistance we want...well I have no idea, since I don't even know what we can ask for or what we should ask for...I would rather have an in person interview...but then they are all booked for the conference on next tuesday where I live, and other than that they don't have an office here anymore...so I don't know how that works...
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 3:10 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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NBN has nothing to do with the free flight. That's done by the Jewish Agency. NBN group flight wasn't an option for us because it got cancelled practically at the last minute. We paid something like $60 (Canadian) for each adult and told them when we want to fly and they handled the tickets.
What NBN does do is provide grants to people who meet their qualifications and offer advice and counselling sessions and tell you what needs to be done and are just generally available to answer questions which is more useful once you're actually here. _________________ Don't worry that children never listen to you; worry that they are always watching you
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Yup, the cheap flights are a JA/Ministry of Absorption thing. You pay a processing fee/ticket and book directly with ElAl. MAKE SURE YOU TELL THEM IT'S AN ALIYAH TICKET!!!!! (You might have to go into the ElAl office in person.) _________________ Emmanuel Tzvi: 26 Shevat 5766
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 4:49 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| Once upon a time you just went to the sochnut, got processed and made Aliya. Another way is to come to Israel and make "internal aliya" once you are here already.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 4:57 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| The forms that NBN requires are what the Jewish Agency or what you would need when you showed up at the misrad Hapanim anyway. I'm not sure it will save you any time not to go through them.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 5:30 am Post subject: Re: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| Tamiri wrote: | | Once upon a time you just went to the sochnut, got processed and made Aliya. Another way is to come to Israel and make "internal aliya" once you are here already. | That's what we were going to do and we even started the process. But in the end we had to move back here. So I only have the marking in my passport that says - הוגשה בקשה לעליה _________________ Live the life you want to live. Be the person you want to remember. Make decisions. Make mistakes. If you failed, at least you tried.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 9:07 am Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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NBNs financial forms are only if you are applying for a grant.
Other than the grant, there is nothing you need them for -- all other benefits are given through the Jewish agency.
late in my aliya process I found that the JA is really all that mattered, that there is very bad communication between the nbn and them, even though NBN has the role of passing your info onto JA--really NBN has no authority at all. They are very nice people and have good educational info, but it would probably be dooable without them., maybe faster.
Why not call the jewish agency Global office and ask -- it can't hurt
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 12:07 pm Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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I made aliyah without Nefesh B Nefesh.
Basically I contacted the Jewish Agency and Filled out some Paperwork they sent me. Then I bought a ticket and was reimbursed after I got to Israel. When I got to Israel I had to go to a lot of government offices to get my teudat zehut and teudat oleh and things like that so that was kinda annoying but all in all it was pretty easy.
Also, I sent a letter to Nefesh b Nefesh after I was in Israel telling them I had to make Aliyah quickly in order to start a program in Israel and did not have time for the whole process beforehand and they gave me $1,000.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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| ianaii wrote: | I made aliyah without Nefesh B Nefesh.
Basically I contacted the Jewish Agency and Filled out some Paperwork they sent me. Then I bought a ticket and was reimbursed after I got to Israel. When I got to Israel I had to go to a lot of government offices to get my teudat zehut and teudat oleh and things like that so that was kinda annoying but all in all it was pretty easy.
Also, I sent a letter to Nefesh b Nefesh after I was in Israel telling them I had to make Aliyah quickly in order to start a program in Israel and did not have time for the whole process beforehand and they gave me $1,000. |
If I'm remembering correctly, we got our teudat oleh in the airport right after landing. Someone met us and took us to the office in the airport and then got us free cabs afterwards. (and only looked slightly annoyed at the people from DH's family who are already here that were dancing around and singing and waving signs)
A few days later, we went to Misrad Hapnim to get the teudat zehut which we were in a rush for since my then 5 month old had gotten sick and was throwing up after almost every nursing session. Turns out the people who took the NBN group flights that we had backed out of got theirs a week later at some ceremony so we even ended up getting ours before them.
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Posted: Thu, Mar 04 2010, 5:45 pm Post subject: re: any other way to make aliyah? |
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OP here.
THanks for your replies.
So can we just show up in EY? They ask the purpose of our visit and we just answer aaliyah and they let us enter and do paperwork? OR will they just send us back and say nope, sorry go with NBN only.?
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| amother wrote: | OP here.
THanks for your replies.
So can we just show up in EY? They ask the purpose of our visit and we just answer aaliyah and they let us enter and do paperwork? OR will they just send us back and say nope, sorry go with NBN only.? |
Go to the Jewish agency, fill out their paperwork. It involves making sure you're not already technically Israeli, making sure at least one of you is Jewish, stuff like that. I think they may want to know if there are any medical conditions that require treatment/prescription meds. There's a special visa you'll need and then you're good to go.
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