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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 12:24 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
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Could it be that your husband wasn't given chores or asked to clean up because he naturally did it on his own as a result of being a neat person?
My husband is not a neat person by nature. He said his room was always a mess growing up. He just realizes the importance of cleanliness and doesnt have menuchas hanefesh unless his home is clean now.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 1:28 pm    Post subject: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
I'm very very messy, and my husband is rather messy too. Less than me though. I'll always remember the first thing he did when he entered in my room for the first time: he took clothes that I had dumped (after my mom folded them) on a chair and started putting them in a closet. LOL! (he grew up with maids and cleaning ladies, I didn't but my mom cleaned up my room)

Anyway. I won't scold my dd if she's messy in her room. Her room, her choice, as long as it's not unhalachic or dangerous. I will expect everyone to pitch in when we need to clean up a shared area though. It's not about teaching, it's about respect.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:17 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
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I'm very very messy, and my husband is rather messy too. Less than me though. I'll always remember the first thing he did when he entered in my room for the first time: he took clothes that I had dumped (after my mom folded them) on a chair and started putting them in a closet. LOL! (he grew up with maids and cleaning ladies, I didn't but my mom cleaned up my room)

Anyway. I won't scold my dd if she's messy in her room. Her room, her choice, as long as it's not unhalachic or dangerous. I will expect everyone to pitch in when we need to clean up a shared area though. It's not about teaching, it's about respect.
But you realize that one day her room will also mean her husband's room IY"H?
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:20 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
life'sgreat wrote:
Ruchel wrote:
I'm very very messy, and my husband is rather messy too. Less than me though. I'll always remember the first thing he did when he entered in my room for the first time: he took clothes that I had dumped (after my mom folded them) on a chair and started putting them in a closet. LOL! (he grew up with maids and cleaning ladies, I didn't but my mom cleaned up my room)

Anyway. I won't scold my dd if she's messy in her room. Her room, her choice, as long as it's not unhalachic or dangerous. I will expect everyone to pitch in when we need to clean up a shared area though. It's not about teaching, it's about respect.
But you realize that one day her room will also mean her husband's room IY"H?


Yes. And I will let her know it's a good habit to clean up, and in all cases to be totally honest. And to NOT marry a neat freak.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:31 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
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I think that it's not so much about doing chores on a regular basis (although that is important) but about whether or not the home the child grows up in, is clean/neat/organized or messy/disorganized. Whatever the child is used to, will be how he/she keeps his/her own place later on.


I disagree, based on my own experience, and I hope I'm not the only one. (I think there was another poster on this thread who said the same thing.) My mother is very neat, and I never had chores. I don't notice dirt. Barely notice clutter. They just don't bother me so much. Which is nice, in a way, but my mother is in shock every time she walks into my home...

I didn't know how to run the washing machine growing up. Or clean toilets. Or even how to stack the dishwasher. Hadn't vacuumed or dusted for years (when I was little she would let me "help"). These things all seem so simple, until you get married, everything changes all at once, and suddenly you need to know how to do all of these things...

I definitely hope to give my kids more skills in cleaning than I have. But as for the neat vs. messy house, does that mean my kids are condemned to be slobs? Uh oh...

Just relating my experience as well.
When you're used to seeing dirt/mess about, it doesn't shock you. When you aren't used to it, you don't want it around.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:34 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
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Just relating my experience as well.
When you're used to seeing dirt/mess about, it doesn't shock you. When you aren't used to it, you don't want it around.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 10:25 pm    Post subject: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
Just be careful! It's important to view cleanliness as a preference, or a bias, or what you are accustomed to, NOT as a moral issue. My dh has an moral obsession with cleanliness,which he got from his domineering, critical mother, and a perfectionist view of life in general. All of this combined with my own insecurity practically destroyed our marriage, with the kids watching and absorbing who-knows-what. I'm sorry to make this nice topic take such a depressing turn, but it's important not to take a holier than thou attitude about cleanliness, and impress it on your children. The results could be disastrous.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
Seraph wrote:
Atali wrote:
Seraph,

Could it be that your husband wasn't given chores or asked to clean up because he naturally did it on his own as a result of being a neat person?
My husband is not a neat person by nature. He said his room was always a mess growing up. He just realizes the importance of cleanliness and doesnt have menuchas hanefesh unless his home is clean now.


I also love neatness and a tdiy house. Doesn't mean I am good at keeping it that way! You say your husband is neat, but have you left him in charge of the house, the kids, the cooking etc and he has been able to keep the house clean and tidy?

Although just being able to keep his own stuff tidy, which I assume he does, is a huge plus in a husband.

Oh, and the things I was asked to help with growing up are the things I have the easiest time doing. eg I always washed up after shabbos. So its ingrained in me that as soon as shabbos is out I spend time cleaning and straightening the kitchen and washing up.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 4:52 am    Post subject: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
and your dh is south african right? I think people who grow up with full time help have much much higher standards of cleanliness then people who didn't.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 5:09 am    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
Raisin wrote:
Seraph wrote:
Atali wrote:
Seraph,

Could it be that your husband wasn't given chores or asked to clean up because he naturally did it on his own as a result of being a neat person?
My husband is not a neat person by nature. He said his room was always a mess growing up. He just realizes the importance of cleanliness and doesnt have menuchas hanefesh unless his home is clean now.


I also love neatness and a tdiy house. Doesn't mean I am good at keeping it that way! You say your husband is neat, but have you left him in charge of the house, the kids, the cooking etc and he has been able to keep the house clean and tidy?
Uhh... uh... I was away for a few days with my baby and my husband was in charge of uriel and the house... and I didnt come home to a spotless house. He claims that it was because I left him such a mess to begin with to clean up first, so he wasn't just maintaining cleanliness, but cleaning the mess that I left.
I bet that if he was watching/nursing a baby as well, things would have been different, but I have no way of proving it.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 5:19 am    Post subject: Re: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
Raisin wrote:
and your dh is south african right? I think people who grow up with full time help have much much higher standards of cleanliness then people who didn't.
He grew up in israel. They only had full time help in south africa, and they left when he was 6. His mother just kept up that same standard of cleanliness even without the help.
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PostPosted: Tue, Feb 23 2010, 2:31 pm    Post subject: re: Teaching kids to be neat adults- are you neat/messy?
 
I haven't had time to read all the responses, but in my experience, more important than who did the cleaning was how clean the house was growing up. If your children grow up in a clean, orderly house, that's the way they're going to want to live, and it's just going to feel wrong if it's not that way. Whether they clean, you clean, or a maid cleans. If you're constantly nagging at them to clean up but the house is always flying, then while they may not like it, chances are their houses will be flying too.
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