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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 10:51 am    Post subject: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
From the Facebook group:

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Dear Everyone,
OUr family thanks you for all the prayers along the way. please stop saying tehillim for 'Irving', he was nifter this morning.
Rachael and Uriel will be returing to Israel ASAP for the Livaya and Shiva.
We will update you as soon as we know more.
-Shaina Hirsch


(For those who don't know, the baby was born at 27 weeks while his parents were in the US visiting family. He survived 11 weeks in NICU.

Interestingly enough, he has the same Yartzheit as Moshe Rabbenu.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 10:58 am    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
baruch dayan haemet. I've been following their updates since day 1, and he was such a fighter.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:03 am    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
Oh, so sad. Baruch Dayan Emes.
Interesting how he had to be born at 27 weeks and he lived for a couple of months, so that the parents must actually sit shiva for him. I think you don't sit shiva for a baby under a month old.

There must be some major, spiritual significance here. (I'm not expecting anyone to see it. I'm just babbling the thoughts in my head).
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:05 am    Post subject: Re: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
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Oh, so sad. Baruch Dayan Emes.
Interesting how he had to be born at 27 weeks and he lived for a couple of months, so that the parents must actually sit shiva for him. I think you don't sit shiva for a baby under a month old.

There must be some major, spiritual significance here. (I'm not expecting anyone to see it. I'm just babbling the thoughts in my head).


And yet he was never brissed, so he Halachically has no name... so sad.

BTW, the Levaya and shiva will be here in Israel.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:12 am    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
He may have no name but that neshomo is zocheh to have his parents sit shiva for him.
Heartbreaking for the parents and clearly alot more there than meets the eye. (I'm big into neshomos this week since I'm only half way through the shloshim for my dad..)
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:14 am    Post subject: Re: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
YESHASettler wrote:
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Oh, so sad. Baruch Dayan Emes.
Interesting how he had to be born at 27 weeks and he lived for a couple of months, so that the parents must actually sit shiva for him. I think you don't sit shiva for a baby under a month old.

There must be some major, spiritual significance here. (I'm not expecting anyone to see it. I'm just babbling the thoughts in my head).


And yet he was never brissed, so he Halachically has no name... so sad.

BTW, the Levaya and shiva will be here in Israel.


In this case you do the brit on the niftar.
I know it because we checked it out when our son who was born at 26 weeks was at his lowest point (sounds horrible I know). B"h he is now a 6.5 y.o wonderful kid.
As for the name- you do not need a brit to give a name halachically. Our son was named at 5 days old (as per our rav's instructions), and most other kids in NICU were named within the first month too.
If I remember correctly they said he had a name but were not saying what it was. If I'm wrong, then they just name the baby at the "brit".
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 12:25 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
So sad. The baby will get a bris now, with a name.

May the family find peace.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:20 pm    Post subject:
 
it's so sad - you wouldnt expect a preemie who survived 11 weeks in the NICU to not make it. he was already at 38 weeks gestation at thsi point. Sad
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:44 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
YESHASettler wrote:
ChossidMom wrote:
Oh, so sad. Baruch Dayan Emes.
Interesting how he had to be born at 27 weeks and he lived for a couple of months, so that the parents must actually sit shiva for him. I think you don't sit shiva for a baby under a month old.

There must be some major, spiritual significance here. (I'm not expecting anyone to see it. I'm just babbling the thoughts in my head).


And yet he was never brissed, so he Halachically has no name... so sad.

BTW, the Levaya and shiva will be here in Israel.
do you know the details for the levaya?
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:46 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
Baruch Dayan Emes. I did not know of this story, but I'm very sad to hear of their loss. The family should be comforted and find peace.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:57 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
Tomorrow night at 8pm on har menuchot at the main ashkenazi funeral home
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 3:07 pm    Post subject: Re: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
marina wrote:
Tomorrow night at 8pm on har menuchot at the main ashkenazi funeral home
thank you so much for posting the information.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 5:47 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
I know the parents they are both special people. The mother was my roomate in high school, and the father is my sister-in-laws brother. It amazed me the streangth that they both had durring this whole ordeal. The levaya is Tomorrow at 8:00 PM on Har Hamenuchas at the main Ashkenazic Funeral home. May the entire family have a nechamah.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 6:51 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
It's so sad and so horrible. I know Rachael. Her sister is supposed to be getting married this week.
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:46 pm    Post subject:
 
I know Rachael too. Its so hard to hear of these things Sad. BDE may their family see only simchos!
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PostPosted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 11:54 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
a friend of mine had a stillbirth and the baby had a bris before he was buried. that baby did not have a funeral since he did not live, and there was no shiva because he was dead before birth, but he did have a name. if a baby born dead has a name, I cannot imagine one that lived 11 weeks did not. I suspect we just don't know it yet.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 4:22 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
They named him Aviel Efraim.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 6:10 pm    Post subject:
 
does anyone who knows the family know why they chose that name? I'm just curious.
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 6:25 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
I thought in these cases the parents don't see the brith and don't choose the name?
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PostPosted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 9:37 pm    Post subject: re: Sad update on Tinok haCohen ben Rachael Ruth
 
So very sad:( BD"E.
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