Learning Bishul

Silver Member Joined: Aug 31 2009 Posts: 505

A friend and I want to start a chavruta learning hilchot bishul b'shabbat. We're both quite advanced learners with good seminary backgrounds so a decent hebrew sefer would be fine. We both feel we need to refresh this area, and are looking for suggestions of which sefarim to use.

Many thanks

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Do you have actual questions or do you just want to go through an English sefer? Maybe, if you are advanced, you want to learn something other than dinim.

Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 12:12 am Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

Shabbos K'halacha. A very comprehensive sefer. (Kollel yungerleit learn from it.) by haRav Yekusiel Farkash of Yerushalayim. he brings the various shittahs.

The first volume has many chapters on bishul, going into depth of each concept, such as degrees of heat ie kli rishon and sheini, etc., the blech, yad soledes, shehiya, chazarah, hatmanah, bishul achar bishul etc. according to the different opinions .

The larger print on the top of the page is the basic halachos, and the smaller print underneath is a full explanation with analyses of the sources.
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Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 6:50 am Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

Kol hakavod for doing this. Shmiras Shabbos is often the first thing to go when times get tough and the generation gets weak, chas veshalom. It's so important to be strong in the halachos. We're involved in cooking constantly, so I think it's a very praiseworthy use of your time.

(And I really don't think there's room for argument in this thread - the OP did not say that hilchos bishul are more important than not cheating on one's taxes or anything of that sort.)
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Actually, cm, there has never been one time I reviewed something and did not either learn something new, understand it better, or re-gain a chiyus in the mitzva that affects my mitzva observance.

I am not Lubavitch, but I think you are doing a tremendous disservice to the Rebbe and Chabad by what you posted. If the Rebbe ever stressed TH"M to women I am sure it is not at the exclusion of hilchos Shabbos.

Hilchos Shabbos comes up every week, hilchos niddah comes up once a month and often-times not even then. I think you have to have a better running knowledge of the former; the latter you just have to know WHEN you have a question to ask and let the Rav paskin.

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OK, as I often do when I feel strongly about something, I cannot let this go.

When someone has a hisorerus to learn something - even if not such a "major" portion in halacha such as halacha of shiluach hakan which is not mandatory but rather what to do if you want the eggs - you never ever dissuade them. Kal vachomer hilchos Shabbos which is major and mandatory.

You never push off or dissuade a hisorerus. That is the yetzer hara at its best Sad

Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 10:38 am Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

I encourage the OP and her chavrusa to learn hilchos Shabbos, since that is their idea and they are enthusiastic about it.

As an aside, I want to comment that taharas hamishpacha doesn't only come up once a month. It's the entire way we relate to our marriages. It's all the time. And it should be reviewed.

But in this case, who even said both the OP and her chavrusa are married? When I walked into a sefarim store and asked for recommendations of a sefer I could study with my friend, I had to explain specifically that my friend was single.

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So, do what you want. I attend many shiurim, BH,. Many of them ARE reviews for me - if I told you how many times I sat through a painstaking explanation of what a blech is, you'd flip.

Posted: Sun, Feb 21 2010, 2:36 pm Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

Going back to the subject... I'd go for shemirat shabbat kehilkhata in Hebrew as a base, where you have the sources for the rulings, and open the various sfarim quoted as you needed.
If you're really advanced/ of those who do open all books, then go back to tur and beit yosef onwards... but it is tedious if it's just a review. Which is why I'd start by SS"K and open what interest me most/is harder to comprehend.
Yioshar Koyach! I've been dreaming to do this...

Silver Member Joined: Aug 31 2009 Posts: 505

Thanks everyone for your suggestions.

Well guessed- chavruta is actually single.

I feel that there are so many things on shabbat that we just do by rote because we know they're ok, areas that we know well because we've learned them lots, things we do because our moms do them, and things we don't do because we don't know enough about them. Learning hilchot shabbat is in my opinion a lifetime's occupation (among the other halachot we as jewish women need to know).

Thanks again everyone

Posted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 11:32 am Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

Tova, I agree - the hashkafa of marriage should be studied with a madricha letaharat hamishpacha, not a friend.

Posted: Mon, Feb 22 2010, 1:31 pm Post subject: re: Learning Bishul

Just going back to the topic of cooking on shabbat, sephardim posken differently on some aspect so be careful which book/ruling you and your partner go by.

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General hilchos shabbos sefer where the hebrew is pretty straightforward - Kitzor hilchos shabbos - R' Posen. Its broken up by the melachos.