Relations between a single Jewish girl and a non-Jewish man

Gold Member Joined: Mar 16 2009 Posts: 2291

No. The issue of znut does not apply to a single Jewish woman and a Jewish man who have relations.

Thanks Ora!

I would rank the various misdeeds as follows (worst sin last):

1) Jewish men, mikveh, life partners (pilegesh)
2) Jewish man, mikveh, no intent of commitment (would be znut but has chazaka of pilegesh)
3) gentile, relationship unimportant, mikveh irrelevent (znut)
4) Jewish man, no mikveh (niddah)
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How about this one: Watch out for your life!

non jews, because of their promiscuity, are far more likely to carry sexually transmitted diseases such as HPV and Herpes.

Genital Herpes is communicated via skin to skin contact, so even a condom won't help.

One shadchan inadvertently set me up with a guy who had gone off the Derech and had s*xual relations with a gentile. He became frum again and did Teshuva. I refused to go out with him, because I have no idea what methods of birth control were used, and even if they were, there is no gaurantee that he would be free of s*xlly transmitted diseases.

I have one non-Jewish co-worker who has only had ONE boyfriend her entire life, because she is a religious catholic. Her boyfriend is also a religious catholic. He had only ONE girlfriend prior to my co-worker. Yet, my co-worker now has HPV, a virus which causes infertility. The only treatment available is to scrape away the precancerous cells of the cervix, which weakens the cervix.

Tell your friend to get the HPV vaccine. There is currently no Herpes vaccine available. There are stories of men who have cheated on their wives and gave their wives herpes.

This is no laughing matter.
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That's a no-brainer, then, just get blood tests before jumping in the sack with her gentile suitor! (skip the test for a Jewish beau)

Maybe a modified dose of Ritalin can help you organize your thoughts before you post, save us all the embarrassment.

From what I read on Imamother some frum people are much more promiscuous, in thoughts if not in acts, than many non jews.
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How many people do you know of ask to see the results of blood tests for s*xlly transmitted diseases before jumping in bed with someone? Even if someone actually went for testing, who says the test results are up-to-date and that the papers were not tampered with?

Love is the result of passion, of the heat of the moment.

Some Jewish men have s*lly transmitted diseases, too, but don't advertise it.

[quote="entropy"]That's a no-brainer, then, just get blood tests before jumping in the sack with her gentile suitor! (skip the test for a Jewish beau)

Who says you can skip the test for someone Jewish?

Blood tests before relations (or, at least, before ditching condoms) are de rigeur among educated non-religious couples.

There are mandatory blood tests before civil wedding in France.

Diamond Member Joined: Jan 01 2008 Posts: 4023

pacifier, I see what you're saying and I don't necessarily disagree - maybe that's how it should be - but it isn't.
She will have to pose as halachicly married, or hope that they turn a blind eye.

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Executive Member Joined: Jan 23 2008 Posts: 406

As a Mikvah lady in an OOT community, this has come up several times. I checked with Rabbonim and was told not to take the woman to Mikvah as she doesnt have to keep TH and also, it would give her the false impression that we're condoning her improper relations.