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Posted: Thu, Aug 14 2008, 2:31 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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No, but it is a collar that I personally would only put on girls, but that apparently my fil insisted my dh had to wear  _________________
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The only problem about it is that it's pink... and I thought that in France pink isn't (or at least wasn't) considered for girls? _________________
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| I just dislike yellow baby clothes in general. boy or girl.
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| GAMZu wrote: | | The only problem about it is that it's pink... and I thought that in France pink isn't (or at least wasn't) considered for girls? |
lol no, that's (some parts of) Belgium
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I think sometimes it is just what you are used to. My girls had overalls from teh "boy" section, and a really cute blue onsie from the gap someone gave us (but I always put pink shorts ont he girls when they wore it).\\
I was going through Rivka's clothes after the winter to give some stuff away and I pulled out a light blue shirt to give away b/c it's nothing special. MIL asked me how come I was't keeping it for the baby (he will fit it this winter Rivka is TINY) and I said it was a girl color. She looked at me like I was nuts, but because my girls wore it it became "girl" to me even though really it's a mint blue and fine for a boy. _________________ Lucky Mom to 5
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Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2008, 1:29 am Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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this is interesting:
| Quote: | Why is Pink a Girl Color and Blue a Boy Color?
Pink Girls Blue Boys
According to the website “Gender Specific Colors,” it would seem that assigning color to gender is mostly a 20th century trait. It would also seem that at one time, the color associations were reversed when color first came into use as a gender identifier.
In fact, this reversal of what we consider “normal” was considered conventional, even in the early 20th century.
“At one point pink was considered more of a boy’s color, (as a watered-down red, which is a fierce color) and blue was more for girls. The associate of pink with bold, dramatic red clearly affected its use for boys. An American newspaper in 1914 advised mothers, “If you like the color note on the little one’s garments, use pink for the boy and blue for the girl, if you are a follower of convention.” [The Sunday Sentinal, March 29, 1914.]
“There has been a great diversity of opinion on the subject, but the generally accepted rule is pink for the boy and blue for the girl. The reason is that pink being a more decided and stronger color is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” [Ladies Home Journal, June, 1918]
According to Jo B. Paoletti and Carol Kregloh, “The Children’s Department,” in Claudia Brush Kidwell and Valerie Steele, ed., Men and Women: Dressing the Part, (Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989). - In the United States: “The current pink for girls and blue for boys wasn’t uniform until the 1950’s. |
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Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2008, 1:38 am Post subject: Re: clothes for different genders? |
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| Seraph wrote: | | fruit are ok for boys? I got a pair of white overalls with cherries on them. I dont see why it shouldnt be for boys, because boys like fruit just as much... :-P but then I thought that maybe some people would laugh... |
You'll want to be careful though. Depending on how the cherries are presented (embroidered floss vs. 'stamped' color), red and blue are notorious for running when washed.
I found these laundry tips:
Keep bright colors from running. Immerse clothes in full strength vinegar for 10 minutes before washing.
I've also been told to soak it in salt and cold water. _________________
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Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2008, 5:25 am Post subject: Re: re: clothes for different genders? |
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| mumoo wrote: | this is interesting:
| Quote: | Why is Pink a Girl Color and Blue a Boy Color?
Pink Girls Blue Boys
According to the website “Gender Specific Colors,” it would seem that assigning color to gender is mostly a 20th century trait. It would also seem that at one time, the color associations were reversed when color first came into use as a gender identifier.
In fact, this reversal of what we consider “normal” was considered conventional, even in the early 20th century.
“At one point pink was considered more of a boy’s color, (as a watered-down red, which is a fierce color) and blue was more for girls. The associate of pink with bold, dramatic red clearly affected its use for boys. An American newspaper in 1914 advised mothers, “If you like the color note on the little one’s garments, use pink for the boy and blue for the girl, if you are a follower of convention.” [The Sunday Sentinal, March 29, 1914.]
“There has been a great diversity of opinion on the subject, but the generally accepted rule is pink for the boy and blue for the girl. The reason is that pink being a more decided and stronger color is more suitable for the boy, while blue, which is more delicate and dainty, is prettier for the girl.” [Ladies Home Journal, June, 1918]
According to Jo B. Paoletti and Carol Kregloh, “The Children’s Department,” in Claudia Brush Kidwell and Valerie Steele, ed., Men and Women: Dressing the Part, (Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989). - In the United States: “The current pink for girls and blue for boys wasn’t uniform until the 1950’s. | |
Wow, thanks for posting that. It's SO interesting, and so hard to believe! Since our brains are already wired to believe pink-girl, blue-boy, and it just seems so objective.
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Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2008, 9:30 am Post subject: |
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Well, blue can come in different shades- strong and soft. But pink seems delicate by definition. When it's stronger, it's called red.
Unless one takes into consideration the acid-neon pinks-magentas that are all over children's clothing stores. That's a crime to put on any child, IMO.
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| lol so true gamzu about some of the colors out there! I would only buy it if it was really cheap. I would put dd in more of her brother's clothes. jeans and a red shirt. or neutral strechies. but I couldn't but any boys in her old clothes, they are all pink. and the jeans are a boot cut and have ruffles. I do dress dd in light blue, but its a girly looking shirt or outfit.
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Posted: Fri, Aug 15 2008, 10:23 am Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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| and why are we more comfortable putting dd in her brothers jeans and t-shirts than we are putting ds in sister's pink/flower/ruffle outfits?
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maybe because its making a boy into a drag queen, its not like its made for a boy with ruffles or a sailor outfit, or light pink button down,or polo shirt. but actual clothing that people will think that the boy is a girl. like pink with ruffles and pictures of girls. while plain jeans and a red tshirt. they sell the same shirt as unisex for girls and boys.
they used to make boys wear dresses until upsherish age. but they were darker colors. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Campion-Hornbook.jpg here is a pic of a boy wearing a dress.
here is another picture, I would want to be the one dressing this child! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Conrad_Meyer_001.jpg
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Once upon a time, dresses were SOP for all children...
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Posted: Sat, Feb 06 2010, 5:12 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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My dd today tells me on Monday she wants to wear her mary janes/strap shoes because her friend BINIAMIN has the same
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Posted: Sat, Feb 06 2010, 5:44 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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Just for you!
my fil in a dress, early 30's
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Posted: Sat, Feb 06 2010, 8:06 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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What a great pic, Ruchel.
Maybe a silly question - were the babies strapped in at all?
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Posted: Sat, Feb 06 2010, 8:24 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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| My mil used to tell me to put tights on my son so he wouldn't get hurt crawling around. She thought I was the one who was being ridiculous when I refused.
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Posted: Sun, Feb 07 2010, 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: re: clothes for different genders? |
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| the world's best mom wrote: | | My mil used to tell me to put tights on my son so he wouldn't get hurt crawling around. She thought I was the one who was being ridiculous when I refused. |
My brother and sil put tights on their boys when they're into the sock pulling-off phase (1-2 yrs?)
And Ruchel, we also have a pic of my grandfather in a dress from when he's about 6 months old. _________________ Don't worry that children never listen to you; worry that they are always watching you
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Posted: Sun, Feb 07 2010, 7:14 pm Post subject: re: clothes for different genders? |
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Colours don't bother me. My kids wear pink, they're confident in their masculinity.
Certain styles of ruffles/lace I wouldn't but there are some ruffled/lace clothes MEANT for boys so those I'm fine with.
Tools and cars etc more boy but I wouldn't refuse to dress a daughter in them. Butterflies and certain flowers are more girly but hawaiian shirts etc are all boy.
Dresses it depends on the style. Again, some are designed for boys, mainly as infants. And I look forward to buying my boys their first kilt (may have to cut a corner though, I think they'd look silly with tzitzit...)
ETA - I have no problem putting tights on boys for warmth but it doesn't get super cold here. You can get baby leggings if you don't want something marketed to girls. _________________ Specialising in boys since 2006:
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