But simply because she said it was from the flu shot doesn't mean it was from the flu shot. _________________ But then again, I'm a dragon.
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Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 3:55 am Post subject: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
What a horrible thing to happen, for whatever reason.
I'm thankful for the flu shot. It keeps my asthmatic son out of the hospital. Before he was getting the shot each year, he had a horrible time when he got sick, which he did, nearly every year. It wasn't abnormal for him to have such terrible coughing spasms that his lips turned purple on a regular basis.
I understand that there are horrible things that can sometimes happen from some vaccines, it just bothers me when people slap the "This-is-eternally-100% evil" lable on vaccines. _________________ Busy Ima to:
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Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:21 am Post subject: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
Nothing is ever 100% foolproof and fail-safe. There is always a certain probability that something will go wrong, in nature as in artifice. Even when you buy a tool with the Good Housekeeping seal of approval, there is a chance that it will be defective in some way. Only the Kadosh Baruch Hu is 100% perfect.
Public health policy-makers have to decide what level of risk is acceptable. This is no easy task. They have to weigh the public good (preventing epidemics) vs. the possibility that some individuals will be harmed by the vaccine. They use specific guidelines, such as requiring vaccines to have a certain minimum success rate and a certain maximum rate of bad side effects, whether those are headaches and fainting or contracting the disease itself.
Most intelligent people would say that the benefit of preventing disease in millions of people who would otherwise fall ill and possibly die far outweighs the cost of the minuscule number of people who might contract the disease from the vaccine alone. If the number of people getting ill from the vaccine is not a tiny fraction of the number of people who would get ill without it, the vaccine is not recommended.
This is, btw, why the smallpox vaccine is no longer given. The smallpox vaccination campaign was so successful worldwide that more people were getting sick from the vaccine than were getting the disease spontaneously. This was only a handful of people per year, but even so, the cost of administering the vaccine, both in terms of money and in terms of people getting sick, was much greater than the benefit. The World Health Organization decided that smallpox could be considered eradicated from the globe (in an epidemiological sense. The virus still exists.) and the vaccine should no longer be given.
OT, but the problem with discontinuing the smallpox vaccination was that we now have an entire generation and are into a second generation of "smallpox virgins" who not only have not been vaccinated, but also have never been exposed to circulating smallpox, and thus have zero immunity to the disease. The possibility of an evil regime secretly producing the vaccine for its own citizens and then G-d forbid releasing the virus around the world (aka germ warfare), while it sounds like science fiction, is terrifying and all too high.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:23 am Post subject: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
PS: all the above being said, "the greater good" is cold comfort to an individual who does get the disease from the vaccine. In a population sense, the incidence may be 0.001%, but for the person who gets sick, it's 100%.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:27 am Post subject: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
Even if the risk is only 1 in a million, wouldn't you rather just get the flu then risk that? And that's just one of many things that have happened to people who have had adverse effects.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:51 am Post subject: Re: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
MiracleMama wrote:
Even if the risk is only 1 in a million, wouldn't you rather just get the flu then risk that? And that's just one of many things that have happened to people who have had adverse effects.
No, I would not, considering that 20-30 thousand people in the USA DIE of seasonal flu every year. Now I'll be honest: I have B"H good health insurance, and it doesn't cost me that much to get the vaccine. If I had to travel an hour each way and shell out $250 a pop for the vaccine each year, chances are I would risk geting sick. OTOH, if I had a child with asthma or other risk factor that made him more susceptible, and more likely to have serious complications if he did get ill, then even so I would be sure to have that kid vaccinated.
Some 15 or 20 years ago, a whole slew of people whose health insurance did not cover routine pediatric immunizations decided not to vaccinate their children for a host of diseases that the parents believed were no longer a risk. The dreadful result was a mini-epidemic of measles, with a number of children hospitalized and the per-child tab for medical care running into the tens of thousands of dollars. the insurance companies quickly saw that not covering these immunizations was a false economy (insurance companies being concerned not with the cost in human misery but with the financial bottom line), and started covering.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 9:59 am Post subject: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
I do't know about you all but I feel very hesitant to trust public health officials wh knowingly do not recall flu vaccines when they find that they are created for strains of flu that never made a global appearance. They just continue to tell you to go out and get the flu shot even though the strain(s) it was created for are not a threat. People need to open their eyes, do some reearch, and then make an informed decision instead of blindly following publc health officials.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 10:26 am Post subject: Re: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
louche wrote:
MiracleMama wrote:
Even if the risk is only 1 in a million, wouldn't you rather just get the flu then risk that? And that's just one of many things that have happened to people who have had adverse effects.
No, I would not, considering that 20-30 thousand people in the USA DIE of seasonal flu every year.
Most of them are very old, have autoimmune issues, or other health problems which compromised their ability to fight it off. Or they ignore symptoms and end up with pneumonia or other problems. A healthy person can easily fight off a flu and definitely doesn't need a vaccine IMO.
Posted: Thu, Oct 22 2009, 10:28 am Post subject: Re: re: 1 in a million- life ruined by flu shot
mommalah wrote:
I do't know about you all but I feel very hesitant to trust public health officials wh knowingly do not recall flu vaccines when they find that they are created for strains of flu that never made a global appearance. They just continue to tell you to go out and get the flu shot even though the strain(s) it was created for are not a threat. People need to open their eyes, do some reearch, and then make an informed decision instead of blindly following publc health officials.
I am also more afraid of the flu vaccine or the swine flue vaccine than the flu itself. I'm dosing everyone up with echinacea, kyolic, vitamin C, and davening for the best. _________________ http://www.autism-parenting.com
I am also more afraid of the flu vaccine or the swine flue vaccine than the flu itself. I'm dosing everyone up with echinacea, kyolic, vitamin C, and davening for the best.
vitamin C and garlic are great! My kids get it every day, same as us. There is also something called Sambucol which I believe is largely elderberry and it is a wonderful antiviral. We give a tiny dose to the kids every day, with doctors approval. If your family likes to eat mango, mango is also antiviral. Also one of the biggest things is to make sure to get enough vitamin D... which means sun every day even when it's cold out.
May I caution everybody here: There is no direct proof that she got the disease from the shot. She came down with a flu like condition 10 days AFTER the shot. There are many causes.
May I caution everybody here: There is no direct proof that she got the disease from the shot. She came down with a flu like condition 10 days AFTER the shot. There are many causes.
I think it's likely it was from the shot. But she had some crazy predisposition for this to happen.
Her husband must have felt great when she said running is all she has left.
Elderberry is probably the most important component, more so than the echinacea. In fact, echinacea shouldn't be given on a long term basis. Elderberry, in clinical studies has shown to inhibit H1N1. I can link the study again if you want.
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