Anyone making aliya be warned!!

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caveat - this definitely applies to a katin chozer, but I don't think it applies to an ezrach oleh (not sure, though, so find out):

If you're not a KC you can move to Israel and not make aliyah, and then make aliyah formally and get tax breaks, university tuition paid for you, rent subsudies, etc. If you're KC, then those rights begin after you spend a year in Israel. (and that year must be on a "recognized program", yeshiva, sem, whatever. they're not insanely strict about this.) If you spend more than a year (let's say, shana bet), and then want to make aliyah years later, you can appeal the rule and say you were only a bit longer and on a program. But if you basically move to Israel and then try to get your aliyah rights let's say two years later, you will be told that your aliyah rights began 2 years ago, and you have only X-2 years to use your rights.
Hope that makes sense. It's late so it might not be clear, but please ask or PM me if you have any questions.

Good night!

I forgot to add,you can't get a passport without a mispar zehut, as that is usually what the israelius go by and not the passport no. I don't think the consulate are allowed to issue a mispar zehut but I may be wrong.

also I think partly why they wouldnb't give me my passport even though they told me to fill out the forms, was because there wasn't enough time to issue one as I was flying back 2 days later so they told me to just finish the process in israel.

oh and btw for those making aliya, when you get your id number... memorize it, you need it all the time!!

I was born in Israel. Came to US when I was seven and lived in Brooklyn since then.
My daughter went to Israel for the first time when she was 20. She wanted to make Aliya with her American DH.
They told her that she was considered a returnee and could not get new Oleh benefits. Her DH got benefits, but not her.

I wish this would have known all this info years ago.
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but smiling mom what would it have helped.. you were born there....

I saw clearly throughout the proceedings yad hashem.

I also just happened to once find out through my grandparents that my mom was born there... what does it help 20 years later

I don't think any other country has such a law...

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Wait. I made alia and yerida at 4. This means I don't get oulpan and all if I ever make alia? Cool, we better settle in a French or anglo area... Rolling Eyes

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You would be considered a katin chozer from what you're saying.
BTW none of this matters if you make aliya with a hubby who is a total oleh and kids. Then you become an olim-family and your special status is irrelevant.
(not trying to confuse, just sharing info.)

Thanks. It's so crazy. As if what I learned at the gan for 6 months 20 years ago was enough for me to know Hebrew correctly... I was always with French speaking morah Marie anyway Laughing

Nothing. I felt very bad for anyone in this hot stuffy room, just because they were something the officials didn't like.

In most countries you can get a lot by speaking a few words of the local language. Not there, on contrary!!

Only in Israel...

Just FYI, my husband is a "toshav chozer" - he left after the army and has been here in the US for 7 years and 1 month, and we are considered a "mishpachat olim" we get benefits for all of us, we get a full sal klita, he gets a free ticket on NBN, we get all oleh rights.

So maybe the people you are talking to are uninformed.

My children are israeli citizens, I am not. We are still a mishpachat olim.

In high school, before seminary, we were told that anyone with an israeli parent needed to have it submitted in writing their intent to stay for ONLY a year... they actually had to get permission to leave israel BEFORE they went for sem. But it was common knowledge that there would be a problem if a parent was an israeli citizen.
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Just wanted to second what Ezrachar just posted. I am an Israeli citizen and considered a "toshav Chozer", after living in the USA for 7 years. My kids are Israeli citizens with Israeli passports. we are making aliya through my DH ( mishpachat olim) and get all benefits.

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Wow, I am reading some horror stories. We've never (Olim, Toshavim Chozrim, Katin Chozer, kids born abroad to Israeli parents) experienced any of this.