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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 1:01 pm Post subject: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my baby |
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I have two stories.
1. This happenned to a friend. She had just gotten pg, and for the time being was working almost full time, but not likely at least for a few mos after the birth would she go back, if at all. Her dh lost his job. This was late last year. A few mos later, he found a job 1)closer to home 2)right next to her son's school (to drive him) and 3) that paid MUCH more than his job before.
2. I graduated with an MS. I turned down a job in yehupitz to get married and be in a kehilla, and allow dh to spend a year in kollel. When dc1 was 1 yr old, I started to apply for jobs--anythingI was remotely qualified for and having a frum kehilla of some kind. DH's job prospects were not good. Within 6 mos, I was pg, and basically had 3 more mos to try to find something before I might as well wait until after hte baby was born. I sent out a few more resumes, and forgot about it. In the beginning of my third trimester, I got an email, a phone interview, and a face to face interview a few hours away. One month later, I had a job offer, full benefits, full relocation, etc. and they weren't even phased by my now having to wait until after the baby was born. It's a gov't contractor and hiring takes months to process. They weren't even phased by my almost 3 yr gap after graduation and joining the work force.
That said. I am still very weak, and trying to juggle more children and support my family is very scary to me. It's a fine line between having bitachon (what we must do) and relying on miracles (what we aren't allowed to do).
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 1:42 pm Post subject: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my baby |
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| To SV: re your addendum - I definitely don't consider you holier than thou. I actually get great and much needed chizuk from this. My script when davening is pretty much the same. Thanks for sharing.
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 1:58 pm Post subject: Re: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my b |
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| amother wrote: | | To SV: re your addendum - I definitely don't consider you holier than thou. I actually get great and much needed chizuk from this. My script when davening is pretty much the same. Thanks for sharing. |
Trust me, we all need chizzuk in this . Feel free to PM me if you'd like.
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 2:18 pm Post subject: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my baby |
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bitochon! one of my favorite topics! I have sooo many stories. we practically live with them!
these are a bit off topic, as they are not related to having children, but the concept is one and the same!
1-my father was on his way to put down a downpayment on the house we were buying. He went missing a few thousand dollars, cuz he just did not have it! He figured he'd go and hashem will help him..
on his way, in manhattan, he meets a friend, explains the situation, and the guy 'just happened' to have what my father was missing, in Cash!
2- my father had a flight scheduled for Motzei Shabbos, to go to israel.
Friday a non-jewish cleaner that worked at my fathers place, shows up with his Passport! he told him he found it and was going to bring it on sunday, but then 'just happened' to have decided to bring it Friday, on his way (or out of his way!) home! (had he brought it over sunday-my father would not fly, and panic, not knowing where his passport was..)
a great thing to read is 'you can learn bitochon too'- I think it is the english translation of 'shaar bitochon' in chovos halevovos.
as a previous poster mentioned, Bitochon is a TOOL, it can be used and excersised to your benefit, and the more you belive in hashem, the more he will answer your trust!! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!!!!
I LOVE YOU HASHEM!
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Posted: Mon, Jul 13 2009, 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my b |
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| mimivan wrote: | parnassa comes with children....it is really true!
when my first as born, I was out of a job without benefits..dh hadn't yet found a collel.place..we hadn't the foggiest idea how we were going to make it (I thought my job would last...well...it didn't)...2 days after the baby was born, dh was given a part time job and a kollel position with a stipend...this wasn't exactly a princely salary, but it kept us afloat and allowed me to stay home the first year with my baby...
It is really a matter of bitachon...thanks OP |
| greenfire wrote: | when my first baby was born the nursery charged a certain amount of money and I quit work and the then dh wasn't yet working ... lo & behold my tax return came in dated the date she was born for the amount of the nursery bill ... hey if that's not hashgocha I don't know what is ...
thank you for sharing ... |
Wow! I got the chills reading these. I am so glad that my post inspired you guys, keep the stories coming.
Not meaning to be preachy, remember, Hashem loves us infinitely more then we love Him and even if we don't see the good in things that are happening (Barbra's post) there is good.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 3:30 am Post subject: Re: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my b |
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[quote="SV"] | Barbara wrote: | After L was born, her father in quick succession lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on business deals, and had the business that he was operating go out of business. The family was homeless for about a year, depending upon the generosity of relatives.
My friend J finally got pregnant after years of fertility treatments. Within just a couple of months thereafter, both she and her husband lost their jobs. They had to move in with his parents. |
Maharal (I don't have the exact source but in Gur Aryeh on the parsha of Yosef haTzadik staying in prison for an extra 2 years) says that hishtadlus is inversely proportional to the amount of bitachon one has. Meaning the more you SINCERELY trust that Hashem will help (not just parnassa, but everything in life) the less hishtadlus you will need to do and the more Divine intervention will you experience in your life. And conversly, the more you believe that kochi v'otzeim yadi - everything in this world is accomplished through my efforts - the more Hashem will allow teva (nature) to run your life. You can't trick anybody inlcuding yourself, though. The trust has to be sincere and unequivocal.[/quote
I was taught that you must put in all your hishtadlus for something you are asking Hashem for. I know a lot of unmarried girls who have lots of "bitachon" that prince charming will fall into their laps. Likewise, someone is unlikely to find work if they send out 2 resumes in a tough economy. I consider myself to have lots of bitachon in hard times, and I certainly don't like the message that the more hishtadlus you put in, the less bitachon you have.
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Sorry, the quotes got messed up on my last post. Here it is again:
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Barbara wrote:
After L was born, her father in quick succession lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on business deals, and had the business that he was operating go out of business. The family was homeless for about a year, depending upon the generosity of relatives.
My friend J finally got pregnant after years of fertility treatments. Within just a couple of months thereafter, both she and her husband lost their jobs. They had to move in with his parents.
Maharal (I don't have the exact source but in Gur Aryeh on the parsha of Yosef haTzadik staying in prison for an extra 2 years) says that hishtadlus is inversely proportional to the amount of bitachon one has. Meaning the more you SINCERELY trust that Hashem will help (not just parnassa, but everything in life) the less hishtadlus you will need to do and the more Divine intervention will you experience in your life. And conversly, the more you believe that kochi v'otzeim yadi - everything in this world is accomplished through my efforts - the more Hashem will allow teva (nature) to run your life. You can't trick anybody inlcuding yourself, though. The trust has to be sincere and unequivocal. |
I was taught that you must put in all your hishtadlus for something you are asking Hashem for. I know a lot of unmarried girls who have lots of "bitachon" that prince charming will fall into their laps. Likewise, someone is unlikely to find work if they send out 2 resumes in a tough economy. I consider myself to have lots of bitachon in hard times, and I certainly don't like the message that the more hishtadlus you put in, the less bitachon you have.
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 6:54 am Post subject: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my baby |
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I think the idea is that if one has greater bitachon, the amount of b'teva hishtadlus that will ultimately be needed is less. And if one has the opposite, the amount of b'teva hishtadlus that will ultimately be needed could be more. We must do our part, but the amount of effort/time, etc. that that will ultimately take can be minimized by having bitachon.
Now, in shidduchim, it could mean a girl with bitachon, and doing her hishtadlus might still need several years, but this could be less than if she didn't have such bitachon. Or, opposite, someone might not have much bitachon, and find a first date easily, and it be b'shert. Everyone's cheshbonos are different with Hashem. We trust the Torah, and that doing our part b'teva while having bitachon will maximize the revelation of brachah and truth and goodness in our lives. _________________
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Posted: Tue, Jul 14 2009, 8:18 am Post subject: Re: re: Personal story about parnasa after the brith of my b |
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| amother wrote: | Sorry, the quotes got messed up on my last post. Here it is again:
| SV wrote: |
Barbara wrote:
After L was born, her father in quick succession lost hundreds of thousands of dollars on business deals, and had the business that he was operating go out of business. The family was homeless for about a year, depending upon the generosity of relatives.
My friend J finally got pregnant after years of fertility treatments. Within just a couple of months thereafter, both she and her husband lost their jobs. They had to move in with his parents.
Maharal (I don't have the exact source but in Gur Aryeh on the parsha of Yosef haTzadik staying in prison for an extra 2 years) says that hishtadlus is inversely proportional to the amount of bitachon one has. Meaning the more you SINCERELY trust that Hashem will help (not just parnassa, but everything in life) the less hishtadlus you will need to do and the more Divine intervention will you experience in your life. And conversly, the more you believe that kochi v'otzeim yadi - everything in this world is accomplished through my efforts - the more Hashem will allow teva (nature) to run your life. You can't trick anybody inlcuding yourself, though. The trust has to be sincere and unequivocal. |
I was taught that you must put in all your hishtadlus for something you are asking Hashem for. I know a lot of unmarried girls who have lots of "bitachon" that prince charming will fall into their laps. Likewise, someone is unlikely to find work if they send out 2 resumes in a tough economy. I consider myself to have lots of bitachon in hard times, and I certainly don't like the message that the more hishtadlus you put in, the less bitachon you have. |
I haven't learned this in quite a few years, but if you look at the context - Yosef Hatzadik is stuck in prison and when Sar Hamashkeh (or was it the other one?) is let out of prison he just tells him quickly to keep him in mind and "put in a good word for him" so to speak. Seems like reasonable hishtadlus no? Well, Yosef was punished because on his level that was too much hishtadlus. One needs to know his level of bitachon and based on thet decide how much hishtadlus is appropriate, but it's not an easy thing at all (case in point, Yosef erred about his level...)
I can't tell you what it means l'maaseh for individuals - this decision requires a lot of cheshbon hanefesh and possibly shaylos to a daas Torah.
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